New Super Series Gleaner combine

AllisChalmers37 wrote: Well, as morton(pa) origionally said you notice that the red decals have replaced the orange ones that have been there since Allis-Chalmers owned Gleaner. I hate to ask a question in an answer but I noticed that the word AGCO is no where to be found on the machine. Did they just do away with the AGCO line of tractors or are they eventually going to get rid of the AGCO name completely?

Lonn wrote: Kcgrain, what changes would you have made? Would you quit the transverse rotor or changed the cleaning system? Just curious what your limiting factors are that should be changed that the Super 7 didn't address. Would you change the cab interior. You know, shuffle the buttons or make the cab even larger? How about the styling or using plastic to make a real stylish machine? Personally I thought the unloading auger system could have been changed to that like the A series. Not the turret but the sly way they made the swivel style so much higher on the later A series. I don't know if it is as reliable as the old swivel style though.  You know, and I have no proof, but I had told a few people 10 or 15 years ago about how I would make that swivel system much higher and that is exactly they way AGCO did it. Oh well.

It is a great idea, but I wouldn't spend a lot of time waiting by the mailbox for a royalty check. The Gleaner machines have always been innovative, and my hat is off to the fine folks that have been working on this new machine. They are continuing with the AC legend, even though Richenhagen is doing everything in his power to thwart their efforts.

 I personaly think if they would have incorporated the new style unloader on the transverse,put on new plastic sides like all other combines on the market, give it a new look,with everything they have done on the inside. Then you have a NEW combine, this is nothing more then an UPDATE of the current model.  I guess if they are going to keep with a 1992 design and price I will be interested in one.

When we updated from our TR series NH to the CR we looked at the New Gleaners and some a few years old, I actually like the styling of the old N7 thought it had a functional and unique look, but than again I still like the look of the old square front chevy pick up and still think the old steiger series 3 panthers have a better look and style than the new ones. Now I cant say what the interior of the new super 7 is because I have not seen one but if the cab is like the old model its replacing the cab controls and tattle tale system is exactly like the old L2 were, just painted light grey rather than saddle tan, which works dont get me wrong but its a 1970's design. The second thing I thought needed addressing was the cylinder to concave clearance, which I was told there is a kit that can be added to make it electric from the cab, that is a dated design, our NH and the newer Deeres case Ih etc this is all done inside the cab. Stone ejection system is another sore spot, on the L2 and L3 I had if you hit a stone it kicked open a door underneath the cylinder, you than had to crawl underneath the combine, in sometimes not so nice a place and lift the door shut with your legs and take a tool to lock the latches, on the rotary you do that standing but you have to open the side panels put a special tool into a latch and swing the doors shut and lock, on the NH you lift the head to the full up position the door relatched put the head down and combine, that needs improvement on the gleaner in my opinion. The reverser much like JD and Case on the gleaner will back the slug out, but if you have ever combined weedy crops or ropey beans you know that when it backs out in a slug it feedsback in, in a slug, on the NH its hydraulic so you can back it out than turn around and feed it back to the rotors slowly and process it. The unloading system on the TR and the gleaners are very similiar and I actually like that design but on the NH the unloader can be unloaded anywhere its swing position from full in to full out, the gleaners better be all out or things break, the NH also has a higher reach than the Gleaner. The bottom line for us I am talking now, was for me to switch from a NH and go back to a Gleaner would be like going from a Lincoln town Car to a ford probe, both good cars mind you both get you from point A to B, however one is way more comfortable to operate  and its hard to go from power windows and door locks to one with out, and thats what the Gleaners are. In 1985 when AC went out the N series was cutting edge, but its not 1985 any more, its a 2011 combine. My point is I guess if agco was really interested in this being a flag ship machine like it was in the past it would have addressed these issues, a more modern look sells machines, dispite the fact that I like the look of the old machine. But it would have shown the combine buyers that agco was serious about the transverse rotor, much like they did with there new and now gone orange tractor, at least it had a modern appeal and feel. A bigger diameter rotor and accelerator rolls does not constitute much of a change other than its something new to write about. And last but not least, still doing business with the dealership I worked at I do get some insight to whats going on in the Agco world and if memory serves about 5 years ago maybe more the word Agco gave to the dealer than was the transverse rotor was going out, it was being replaced with a axial model painted silver with a gleaner badge, amd as soon as inventory was depleted the transverse was gone, the A series appeared not soon after that, the transverse rotor has still stuck around, so what makes me wonder is the "new" N7 offered to keep the transverse alive, is it here to burn up what left of already made parts, is the market still strong enough to keep the transverse rotor around? Massey combine market in NA is very very small compared to the big 3 New Holland is No1 world wide Deere No 1 in NA Massey has a following over seas but very weak here, Gleaner use to be a BIG player till AC passed now has small strong spots. Why did Agco tell the dealers way back when that the transverse rotor was done? Why didnt they dedicate more money to a new modern design? I would like to believe agco that the AC rotor is here to stay, and that it is superior, ......but they still offer a silver massey with a gleaner badge, and agcos word had been less than honerable, and with dealing with large companies that change hands when they say nothing is going to change............everything is going to change, agcos position doesnt work for me personally when I have to write the check and the last CR it was $285,000 thats to much to gamble for me on past memories of a once great machine and company.I love Allis Chalmers loved there tractors still rely on them, still buy them, but agco is NOT Allis Chalmers, never will be even if they owned the name they are not AC.

Dr. Allis my A85 is probably at least 18 " taller then my R75 was and I dont think it holds anymore then my R75. They both have Hopper toppers. I understand what your saying,but the A didnt have the depth the 75 had because of the cylinder right under the hopper full length.

MI8050 I am with you on the cab of the gleaners. They are nice. I set everything on the A85 from the computer screen. There is more room in the Gleaner cab then a deere. I still like the layout of the CNH cabs. I would have to disagree with you on the CIH combines they have about totally redesigned there combines over the last few years. About the only thing the same is the color of paint on there combines compared to 5 years ago on the outside look.

  I will agree that some new styling would be nice, but let's face it, the inner improvements  are more important capacity wise.  I run a R75 with an 8 row head, but this super series needs to be capable of eating up 12 rows of corn at a decent pace even in higher moisture situations to be really looked at by people other than true gleaner lovers.  I'm confident that the styling will come soon, but the capacity improvements are the most important part now.  My neighbors CIH 8120 is an awesome looking machine with great capacity.  Yes this CIH machine had many changes over the old regular 21 & 23 series.  As far as the red splash, I never thought a thing about it on the last R62 we owned, but now with the loss of orange painted tractors I do have that feeling of distrust with Agco a little bit also.  I'm happy with my R75 and will stick with Gleaner.  They all have their good and bad.  The "A" series has that new look and we can see how impressed the Gleaner faithful are with that "New Styling".  Find a Deere lover that covers many acres yearly to admit how much they spend on maintaining those Green Monsters.  No wonder the BTO's want to trade every year.

ILGLEANER wrote: MI8050 I am with you on the cab of the gleaners. They are nice. I set everything on the A85 from the computer screen. There is more room in the Gleaner cab then a deere. I still like the layout of the CNH cabs. I would have to disagree with you on the CIH combines they have about totally redesigned there combines over the last few years. About the only thing the same is the color of paint on there combines compared to 5 years ago on the outside look.                                                       IG

Yes, the CIH machines (AFX's look like aNH machine to me, just red) but the other ones, although I haven't paid tons of attention to them, still are basically a big red box.  Without totally changing component locations the overall profile is destined to be similar with styling tweaks.  Look at how similar the Massey and Deere combines got with the offset cabs and front mounted engines for awhile.  I thinking Gleaner updated quite a bit but they still have the trademark look for sure. 

HAHA we all said it!! the Orange is probly gonna go on the gleaners, and i guess this is there way of truning it to RED!!!!

Where has everyone Gone. Priced a part in Australia today $90 us .Ordered  from the US $25. If Agco want to get up there get these rip offs sorted out.

Kcgrain,

What combine cab are you looking at? I will admit that the cabs was the same as the older MH style until the R72-62 was released (Cab was changed but electronic system was simmilar), then they totally redesigned the electronic system in the R75-65 series. They are nothing like the older Tattle-Tale system. The R75 was released in 2003 and the electronic system is a CANBUS system that has proven to be very reliable.

You said that the Gleaner needs to be redesigned, but they can out cut and out clean the green and red combines, while maintaining the same loss levels. They somehow manage to pull all of that off and stay around $200k less than the other colors (other colors require levelers in our area, and so that pushes the cost of them over $500k). If the body style of the combine is worth giving up a combine that is more superior than the other colors while being less expensive, then you can go ahead and buy one, but to me it doesn't seem like a good idea.

As far as your problems with the increased rotor size, and that somehow making the combine more of a conventional combine than a rotory, that makes no sense, at all... The tip speed will stay the same (or be increased) and have a larger concave area, where 90% of the treshing is accomplished and that equals more capacity. on top of that it will have a larger cleaning fan and another row of accelorator rolls, which will make the combine able to clean better and also increase the efficientcy of the shoe. When you combine this with improvements that Gleaner has done in the last few years (68 degree helical bar kit, shoe slope tin kit, 4-strand feed chain, and flattened 2nd floor) it makes a pretty awesome machine that I would put head-to-head with any other combine on the market.

This is nothing personal against you, the engineers have put a lot of thought and time into this, and it's a pretty awesome combine. Also, to whomever said that the marketing people at AGCO know nothing about how a combine works, you need to meet Kevin Bein. He is the head of marketing for Gleaner, and he knows more about how Gleaner combines work than anybody out there, he's nothing short of a genius.

Have a good day!