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    Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 9:31am
Could someone start a gleaner combine timeline?? I don’t know too much about gleaner combines and would like to know more! Especially upgrades and the transverse rotary series! And the difference in L L2 L3 and M’s K’s F’s thanks
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I'd give my input, but the guys you really need to hear from are the DrAllis, MACK, and tbran, among others. They really know their stuff! 
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Model "L" from 1972 thru 1976.... L2 from 77 thru 82...….L3 from 83 thru 87 ??   Model "M" from 1973 thru 76.....M2 from 1977 thru 79 and then 81 thru 82. There were no 1980 model M2's...…...M3 from 83 thru 87 ??    Model "F" from 1968 ? thru 1976......F2 from 77 thru 82.....F3 from 83 thru 85??  not sure on that one.
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Gleaner K
1969-197666 bushels2General Motors gas Engine78 hp
Gleaner F1968-1976120 bushels3GM gas or AC Diesel Engine93/84 hp
Gleaner G1968-1972100 bushelsN/AAC gas or AC Diesel Engine105/109 hp
Gleaner L1972-1976120 bushels5GM Gas or AC Diesel Engine120/109 hp
Gleaner M1973-1976150 bushels4GM gas or AC Diesel Engine120/109 hp
Gleaner K21977-198168/96 bushels2GM gas or AC Diesel Engine85/72 hp
Gleaner F21977-1982120 bushels3GM gas or AC Diesel Engine112/95 hp
Gleaner M21977-1982165/180 bushels4Allis Chalmers Engine130 hp
Gleaner L21977-1982185/200 bushels5Allis Chalmers Engine158 hp
Gleaner N51978-1985200 bushels5Allis Chalmers Engine190 hp
Gleaner N61978-1985245 bushels6Allis-Chalmers Engine240 hp
Gleaner N71978-1985310 bushels7Allis-Chalmers Engine270 hp
Gleaner F31983-1986120 bushels3Allis-Chalmers Engine95 hp
Gleaner M31983-1986180 bushels4Allis-Chalmers Engine145 hp
Gleaner L31983-1986200 bushels5Allis-Chalmers Engine158 hp
Gleaner R51986230 bushels5Allis-Chalmers Engine180 hp
Gleaner R61986270 bushels6Allis-Chalmers Engine220 hp
Gleaner R71986300 bushels7Allis-Chalmers Engine270 hp
Gleaner R401986-1992230 bushels4Deutz Engine155 hp
Gleaner R501986-1992230 bushels5Deutz Engine190 hp
Gleaner R601986-1992270 bushels6Deutz Engine228 hp
Gleaner R701986-1992300 bushels7Deutz Engine270 hp
Gleaner L41990-1991200 bushels5Cummins Engine175 hp
Gleaner R421992-1996170 bushels4Deutz Engine185 hp
Gleaner R521992-1996225 bushels5Deutz Engine230 hp
Gleaner R621992-1996300 bushels6Deutz Engine260 hp
Gleaner R721992-1996300 bushels7Deutz Engine300 hp
Gleaner R42 Updated1996-2002170 bushels4Cummins Engine175 hp
Gleaner R52 Updated1996-2002225 bushels5Cummins Engine220 hp
Gleaner R62 Updated1996-2002300 bushels6Cummins Engine260 hp
Gleaner C621996-2002300 bushels6Cummins Engine260 hp
Gleaner R72 Updated1996-2002330 bushels7Cummins Engine330 hp
Gleaner R552003-2006250 bushels5Cummins Engine230 hp
Gleaner R652003-2008300 bushels6Cummins Engine300 hp
Gleaner R752003-2008330 bushels7Cummins Engine350 hp
Gleaner R662008-2011300 bushels6AGCO Engine300 hp
Gleaner R762008-2011330 bushels7AGCO Engine350 hp
Gleaner A652007-2008300 bushels6Cummins Engine300 hp
Gleaner A752007-2008300 bushels7Cummins Engine350 hp
Gleaner A852007-2008350 bushels8CAT Engine429 hp
Gleaner A662008-2010300 bushels6AGCO Engine300 hp
Gleaner A762008-2010300 bushels7AGCO Engine350 hp
Gleaner A862008-2010350 bushels8CAT Engine425 hp
Gleaner S672010–2012390 bushels6AGCO Engine314 hp
Gleaner S772010–2012390 bushels7AGCO Engine370 hp
Gleaner S682013–2015390 bushels6AGCO Engine322 hp
Gleaner S782013–2015390 bushels7AGCO Engine375 hp
Gleaner S882013–2015390 bushels8AGCO Engine430 hp
Gleaner S962016–present390 bushels6AGCO Engine322 hp
Gleaner S972016–present390 bushels7AGCO Engine375 hp
Gleaner S982016–present390 bushels8AGCO Engine430 hp
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by tbran - 27 Nov 2018 at 3:34pm
When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..
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Someone told the story of the reason and consequences of discontinuing the M2 for one year quite a while back. I don't remember it really well, but I remember the public made a big deal out of it, so Allis brought it back.


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that list was from Wikopedia....
 
The early models were 
T -1954
A 1950- then AII to 1963 
C - then CII
E- then EIII to the
K -68  - 76
G - '68-74
After the Fordson Mounted Gleaner self-propelled combine was discontinued, Gleaner turned its focus towards the more popular and gaining ground: Pull type combine market. Starting in 1928 and remaining in production until 1955 when the Self-propelled combines were really starting to take off. Several models of Gleaner Pull type combines were made. They made both Small pull type combines for the smaller operators, and Bigger pull types for the custom operators.


Large Gleaner- Baldwin Pull type combines:

The Model "A" and "R" Pull type combines were built from 1929 to 1935 approximately. Around 2,876 Model "A" Pull type combines were built, while 7,590 Model "R" pull types were built. Both models had a 12 foot cutting width, and had a RASP Bar Cylinder with a diameter of 19.25, with a width of 26 inches. This size of Cylinder would be standard on all models of the larger Gleaner-Baldwin combines, and had a Raddle Walker Separation. The width of the Walkers were 32 inches while the length was around 154 inches. Total Sep area was approximately was around 4,992 inches square. Total Cleaning area was 2,464 square inches.
The Bin capacity of the "A" and "R" Pull type combines was around 50 bushels. The Pull type combines used a Ford A 4 cylinder, 32 HP engine.

In 1935, the Gleaner Baldwin model designations changed to the Model NR an NA's, and also had a cutting width of 12 feet, and retained the bin capacity of 50 bushels. The length of the Walkers changed to 164 inches up from 154 inches on the "A" and "R" models. Total separating area increased to 5, 248 square inches.

Next up came the Model "E" and "F" Pull type Gleaner Baldwin Combines. The Model "E" and "F" Pull type combines were built in the time frame of 1939 to 1951. With 10, 594 model "E" Pull type combines being built during its production run. The Model "F" Pull type had a production run of 2,543 combines. Initially the Model "E" and "F" combines had a bin capacity of 50 bushels, but in 1942 the capacity was dropped down to 40 bushels. In 1946, the Capacity of the bin returned to 45 bushels.

Gleaner- Baldwin brought out the Model "J" and "H" combines next, and were built in the time frame of 1939-1950 and were the last models of the Larger Gleaner pull type machines built. Only 401 models of the "J" Gleaner were built, while 773 models of the "H" Gleaner pull types were produced.
Engines used to power the larger pull types varied between 1944 - 1948. In 1944, they were powered by a Ford Le Roi engine that developed 32.5 HP. In 1947, the engine was changed to the Hercules engine which boosted HP up to 35HP. And finally in 1948, the engine on the pull type combine was changed yet again to the Ford 6-226 48 HP engine. The final engine change, would later go on to be used in the later Self propelled Gleaners, such as the A/R/B.


SMALL Gleaner Baldwin Pull Type combines:

The company produced 4 different models of a smaller pull type combine, starting with the Model "T" combine and ending with the P-80 Pull type. The "T" Gleaner pull type entered production in 1937 and was built until 1941, in which Gleaner sold 636 model "T" pull types in its final year of production. In total, 1,552 Gleaner "T" pull type combines were built. This size of pull type was made for the smaller family farm type operations. It had a 6 foot cutting width, with a RASP Bar Cylinder, with a 19.25 inch diameter cylinder with a width of 18 inches. Total Separating area in the combine was: 2,880 square inches, while total cleaning area was 1,464 square inches. Bin Capacity was 20 bushels. Engine options for the "T" and "S" Gleaners were the Wisconsin 12.5 HP engine, which later was increased to 16 HP.

The Model "S" Gleaner pull type combine was next in production, it was pretty much the same as the Model "T" pull type, however the length of the combine was increased to 126 inches from 120 inches on the "T", and the Total Separating area increased to 3,024 square inches. The cleaning area and bin capacity remained the same as the Model "T" pull type. The "S" Gleaner also had a 6 foot cutting width.

The "Six- S" Gleaner was the next model of Gleaner pull types produced. It had a cutting width of 74 inches. The length of the "Six- S" combine was increased to 132 inches up from 126 on the "S" model. The width of the Cylinder was also increased to 22 inches from 18 inches on the "S" Gleaner. Total separating area was increased to 3,168 square inches, and the Total cleaning area was increased to 1,891 square inches from 1,464 square inches on the "S" and early "T" Gleaner pull types. The "Six -S" Gleaner was powered by a Wisconsin 21.5 HP engine which was a big upgrade from the 16HP engine on the "S". Grain tank capacity increased to 22 bushels. In total between the "S" Gleaner and "Six-S" combines, 9,291 units were built from 1942 to 1953.

The Final Gleaner Pull Type Combine to ever be built was the P-80 Gleaner combine. It was dropped from Production after Allis Chalmers acquired Gleaner. AC decided to drop the Gleaner pull type combine and sell there All-crop Pull type combine instead. Self-propelled combines was the way of the future, and not long after the Gleaner P-80 was dropped, the AC All-crop combine would meet the same fate.
Only 287 P-80 Gleaners were produced in total during its 2 year production run in 1954 and 55. The P-80 Gleaner was pretty much the same as the "Six- S" Gleaner other then the fact the Wisconsin engine was upgraded to the 4-108-25HP engine.

So Gleaner had a pretty good run in the Pull Type market over the years, but they were not building pull type combines as later on as some of the other companies did. It paid off though, as Gleaner would move on to build a Damn fine Conventional Self-propelled combine.       Copied fromhttp://silvercombines1923.freeforums.net/thread/20/gleaner-baldwin-pull-type-combines
 


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I remember in the late 60's -early 70's, the K, F & G combines would arrive at the railroad loading dock in town on flatbed rail cars.  It was always quite a chore to unload them.  I believe they came from the plant in Independence, MO.  There were also wood blocks (cut on an angle) that were nailed into the wood floor of the railroad car to help with stability.  I can't remember for sure how the combines were tied down, but I believe they used high-tensile wire.  I know that's what they used when we would pick up corn heads from LaPorte.  
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AND, IF ANYONE knows where one might find a PTO powered P80, I would like to know.
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This is a very interesting post. Now if someone could take it a step farther and post approx. prices they sold for thru the years and approx. grain prices I think it would be simple math to see why farmers are still at the bottom of the barrel even with all the inovations and improvments that have evolved thru time. The fact remains that farmers "buy retail"--"sell wholesale"--and pay the freight BOTH ways.
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Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

AND, IF ANYONE knows where one might find a PTO powered P80, I would like to know.
I don't but my brother is looking for the parts to convert his P80 to PTO or at least I've tried to convince him to do that. I hate those junk Wisconsin engines.
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Originally posted by Ky.Allis Ky.Allis wrote:

This is a very interesting post. Now if someone could take it a step farther and post approx. prices they sold for thru the years and approx. grain prices I think it would be simple math to see why farmers are still at the bottom of the barrel even with all the inovations and improvments that have evolved thru time. The fact remains that farmers "buy retail"--"sell wholesale"--and pay the freight BOTH ways.

In 1979 a MH2 with 18 foot grain head with grain lose monitor and all was $80,000 +/- a few pennies in California. This one had the 3500 engine rather than the 2900 that was also available. And on the hillsides they were all "hydro traction drive", they did not offer variable speed belt drive.  


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Hey Ray! Ya know why hydro only? Hills and a neutral position don't go well together.
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Norm Swinford's book is a good read on this topic.  Something else not mentioned here:  Gleaner started experimenting with rotary threshing in the late 1960s.  10 years before the N series came out.
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Gleaner also produced a pull-type rotary combine back in about 1930 too. It was Gleaner or one of the companies that Curtis Baldwin started up Savage??? but I believe it was Gleaner. You can find the patents on line and pics and story on it in either Normswinford's book or C.H. Wendel's book. Wasn't just a prototype either.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Hey Ray! Ya know why hydro only? Hills and a neutral position don't go well together.
OH STEVELOL LOLLOL The edumacation I could give you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Them O'l Gleaner have given me a ride or 3 I don't want a repeat on. An most of them happenConfused before you know they are happening.Confused 



Them hydro's got a neutral you flat landers ant thought about. Weakness 101 in MH servicing  WATCH THE HYDRO BELT TIGHTENER the pin and arm wear even when greased EVERY DAY. The arm starts leaning and one day your belts WILL COME OFF.

LET ME TELL YOU IT GETS FUN REAL FAST. YOU START COASTING AND YOUR LEVELING IS NOT WORKING. Thank GOD the brakes are very good.


But when you start with @#$%^&**((*&^%$ AngryMassey Harris 92 ANYTHING is Dead a BIG improvement. But being a poor boy with real independent streak I gave up operating somebody else's nice new ish MH2"S   and bought a JOHN DEERE 95 H Dead It didn't have no damm hydo drive .




So in short Steve yes I know why Gleaner did not make MH with out a hydo traction drive.
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