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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Hello, I purchased a 8070 off the internet
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Unit3 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5590 |
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Maybe. We have an injector pump out in the shed. It should be from a later N6.
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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C
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Unit3 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5590 |
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I hoped I wouldn't need to go back out tonight, then my wife asked, "Did you get the mail today?" So I checked and our pump doesn't have the 45 elbow. I checked the 82 8050 and it does have it, while the 85 8070's don't. I don't see that you need the elbow. It looks like it only made it easier to work it.
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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Sorry you had to go out in the middle of the night. I'll double check the clearance. Thanks.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21714 |
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With that elbow it seems like things vibrated loose over time, so they eliminated it. Without it, the primer wasn't as handy to use. I don't remember if the primer elbow elimination was done at the same time they re-routed the injector lines.
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5087 |
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Upon rebuild I eliminate the elbow if it's even there. It just made it more convenient to pump the primer being out at an angle. There is one aftermarket primer I've used and it is shorter, looks like off a Bosch inline. You likely have more issues though, so if it works I'd leave well enough alone for now. I can assure you it will need attention eventually lol!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Oh, I have issues alright.
![]() 9CE1E246-7E72-4C6C-A933-DC029ACDB04B.jpeg This is the previous owners fix. A piece of plastic clamped over the hole. 59DE20D3-6853-4AE3-9314-3C5D3E37F920.jpeg Under the plastic is a combination of aluminum foil and RTV silicone. D7EF91A4-890C-4377-A757-353CB98D370B.jpeg And as I suspected, under the silicone, not a single thread. ![]() ![]() ![]() Does anybody have the rear case for this pump or should I just start over with a rebuilt? 350FBCC0-6156-490B-A8D2-CD6DFF4FC2A8.jpeg Thanks for your help. |
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Sorry, I'm kind of new to this. Don't know why that last pic is upside down.
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5087 |
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When I rebuild those pumps, those really fine threads sometimes gall upon disassembly. I send the rear piece off and they put a new thread insert in. But, I only do that on a rebuild, I cannot sell pump parts separately. I'd imagine someone will have a good used one to sell you.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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One last question for you. The previous owner installed an electric fuel pump between the tank and the injector pump so I'm thinking this would really eliminate the need for the manual primer. Rather than putting a thread insert in the case to screw in the primer, could I just tap the two small holes under the primer and put plugs in them?
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5087 |
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It would work.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Is there anything directly under those ports that I need to be careful of?
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5087 |
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2 check valves down inside. Definitely not the preferred method. Hard to keep the chips from getting in.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Other options?
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Ron(AB) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2009 Location: Alberta Points: 959 |
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Check your local diesel shops for the correct part(s).
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405, 7000, 7050, 8050, 8070, L3, 2300 & 2600 disk
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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What's the fun in that?
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Unit3 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5590 |
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have you tried ebay or craigslist?
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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C
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Gregor ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prague, Ne Points: 305 |
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I have a junked out N5 with a bad motor. Wonder if that is the same pump. I could look at it tomorrow. If it'd work, you can have it for free. Also have a junked out N6, but that motor was good. Some of the combine engines had a electric holley lift pump on them. I put one on my 8070 also as it has problems losing its prime if it sits for a day. Didn't solve my problem either on it starting.
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Sorry to take so long to reply. I’m a one man show and you know the saying about a one legged man in an a$$ kicking contest
![]() The pump on my 8070 is an Ambec 100. If you have parts, I’d be more than happy to pay you for them since other posters aren’t impressed with my fix ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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8070nc ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 594 |
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May help may not but I had the same problem. After much trial and error I replaced the return line to the tank. Fixed it
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1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
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8070nc ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 594 |
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Sorry I was talking about the 8070 not starting after it sits
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1984 80780
1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
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Gregor ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prague, Ne Points: 305 |
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i did look and the my N5 has a rosa pump and didn't see a primer. Got me thinking as I don't remember what I did to prime the fuel system after changing the filters. My parted out N6 has one, but I'd like to sell the whole motor as engine was great shape. We just didn't use the combine anymore a couple years ago.
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Lynn Marshall ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2360 |
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A lot of the IH engines use an injection pump that is very similar to that Allis pump. I can't recall exactly how their primer system works. It may be the same.
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5087 |
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IH M100's are very similar, but they use 1/4" pipe fittings, the AC M100 uses O-Ring style fittings.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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2ndTime ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 2021 Location: beattyville, ky Points: 29 |
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Since someone had already installed a pump between the tank and the injector pump, it seems the easiest fix for this problem turns out to be Aluma Bond. Think JB Weld for aluminum. I don't like JB Weld on aluminum because it expands/contracts at a different rate on aluminum than it does on steel and everything still leaks. Thanks for everyone's input.
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