D12 grill color.

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   I’m working on a 1961 D12  sn307x   I’m confused on the grill / color.Currently there is an expanded steel grill welded in from the back.   It looks like it was silver but not sure.   There is no overlay grill.  There is a small bolt sticking out the top center of grill opening that could have held a bolt on grill.
The pictures I’ve seen show a plethora of colors & grill styles.
What is correct?  Black, cream, silver, three bars , square holes ???
Thanks

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jjrosty Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Broken Arrow OK Points: 113	Post Options Post Reply Quote jjrosty Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D12 grill color. Posted: 7 hours 46 minutes ago at 7:26am
	I’m working on a 1961 D12 sn307x I’m confused on the grill / color. Currently there is an expanded steel grill welded in from the back. It looks like it was silver but not sure. There is no overlay grill. There is a small bolt sticking out the top center of grill opening that could have held a bolt on grill. The pictures I’ve seen show a plethora of colors & grill styles. What is correct? Black, cream, silver, three bars , square holes ??? Thanks
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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 22106	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 5 hours 17 minutes ago at 9:55am
	These little guys can be confusing and I didn't grow up around them which doesn't help. With chassis s/n 3001 and up on a D-12, you are considered a series 2 model. You should have a PTO clutch, if it has a PTO, and it is independent, not ground drive like a series 1 version. I say the paint scheme should have been Persian orange number 2 with creme wheel centers, steering wheel and a creme colored grille screen. The grille screening is horizontal screen like a D-17 series 3 or 4. Not the "X" bar screen. The grille was always separate from the grille/radiator shell, not welded to the shell. If there were early series 2's that were different that this, AGCO parts books doesn't show that. I have a D-10 also a 1961 model (don't have the s/n with me) and that is how it is configured. EDIT: I just found a U-tube video of a gentleman at an antique show with his 1961 D-10 series 2. He claims that the first half of 1961 the D-10/12's were still the old 3-horizontal bars/X-screen grilles (black/silver) and mid-year that got changed to the creme paint and horizontal style. It's almost like they had some left over 1960 build models sitting around and carried them over to early 1961. Technically, the chassis should have been persian orange #1, but who knows. Like I say, the parts book doesn't reflect these differences well at all. Edited by DrAllis - 4 hours 26 minutes ago at 10:46am

jjrosty Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Broken Arrow OK Points: 113	Post Options Post Reply Quote jjrosty Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 60 minutes ago at 12:12pm
	it appears that the x expanded metal grill is spot welded from the factory. I’ve seen the previous owners welding techniques & this is not his work. I’m aware that A/C used whatever they had on hand or used whatever they could find if they ran out of grills that day. There is no evidence that it ever had horizontal bars, unless the were bolted over the x metal grill opening. I agree with you on everything from my research. Btw there is one picture of one d12 on the internet that has a welded in grll like mine ( unless it’s AI generated)

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 22106	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 14 minutes ago at 12:58pm
	The grille screen was always removeable by factory design, regardless of which scrren it actually was. Never welded even tho it looks good. Edited by DrAllis - 2 hours 14 minutes ago at 12:58pm