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EPALLIS 
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 Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 9:22pm |
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Certainly an unfortunate story. I've used Pennzoil 10W30 for eternity in all my A-C's. No issues yet...
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ocharry
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Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 9:41pm |
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Hmmmm...dont make any sense..I mean if they aren't smoking and they aren't leaking....
Got to be burning that much oil....that's a lot for length of run time
Have you ever smelled the oil...like when you check it before a run...rub the oil on you finger from the dip stick and smell it???
How is the viscosity?? does it feel like new oil....heck its getting a new oil change every few hours
When you put the oil in new...did it seem like it always did...new oil...thinner..thicker..
I have heard...back a few years...lots of fews here...that changing brands could make a motor start using oil...but you didn't do that....you put the same oil in them they have always had....unless the oil company has changed the oil chemistry
This is a strange one.....and no smoke???? Even when they get warmed up?? And it sure dont sound like you are working them hard...if they aren't leaking then I would think the oil has to be getting by the rings for some reason....and just changing the oil wouldn't do that...to both motors at the same time....only thing I see common is the oil....unless the oil control ring has collapsed.... On all the cylinders on two different motors...and I ain't buying that
Still come back to common thing between them is the oil
I think I would drop the oil..catch some and save it and put some new in and see what happens
I feel for ya man...this sucks
Ocharry
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JC-WI
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Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 10:19pm |
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Had an oil gauge line get a pinhole in it and sprayed out beyond the tractor and misted away in the breeze... Only hint was the cab front lower window started to get a fine film on it. At 45 psi, it only took a little while to spray most of the oil out on the 190.
Dumb question, got your filters on tight and all lines secure and no pinholes?
Have you changed the oil and filter again? added any Lucas conditioner to them? We added STP at every oil change in an old D17 since 1968 and never took the engine apart except to take the head off to put in exhaust valves... just a few years ago.
Quart every couple hours... if it was burning the oil, it would be smoking I would think.... No oil on the ground to speak of, then your spraying it.
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ocharry
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Posted: 22 Sep 2017 at 10:45pm |
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Got to be going somewhere...but on 2 motors at the same time...
Spraying on one. OK I could buy that..but 2 ...I would be looking them both over with a fine tooth comb
I still say common thing is the oil...something going on there I think
I been reading this for a couple days...but I changed the oil in my 170 today and I got to thinking about it....lol...me thinking sometimes ain't so good
Ocharry
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shameless dude
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 1:22am |
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sounds like you better clean out the shed so you can do OH's thru this winter? (poke,poke,poke)
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 1:29am |
 shameless dude wrote:
sounds like you better clean out the shed so you can do OH's thru this winter? (poke,poke,poke) |
I'm freaked out, and you're poking that damn stick at me. Darrel
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Ted J
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:20am |
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is it possible that the oil filters could be the culprit? Bad gaskets? Had that happen on a 59 chev one time. I had put a 327 into it. Had a SMALL V in the gasket that you couldn't see unless you looked for it. Was blowing oil out of that.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:53am |
You have real mystery on your hands, but I think the oil is the culprit, and some changes were made that you will be lucky to figure out. It may have been too much of something or not enough of something added on purpose or accidentally. Most of the containers have some date or batch numbers that can help you find something different. You might try some how to find an 'old stock' batch of the original oil that is in a back room somewhere and give yourself a chance to test things that way. Or maybe a different newer batch. There is a lot of older equipment running that cannot get the exact same oil that it ran on when new. I have been taught to believe that excessive oil consumption indicates some mechanical failure of clearances or sealing issues. But also things I have seen say otherwise. 30 years ago the lease truck fleet I worked in went from 15000 mile oil change interval to 10000. This was done because many units were using almost no oil in the first 10000 and 5 or more gallons in the final 5000. 11 gallons would change the oil and filters. Now some fleets run 50000 mile oil change intervals with smaller crankcases and million mile service without overhaul. 20 years ago my employer had a customer with aged Mack truck engines. Rotella would stay in them but the bulk Citgo we sold would not. Both 15w40. Switched back to Rotella and for him the problem went away. Another thing the citgo would not work in international t444e engines with HUI injectors. Even though it was 15 W 40 it just seemed to not operate those high pressure injectors engines would me=issfire and bareley run when the oil was hot. Later I worked at the Ford truck dealer and we had bulk oil the parts man turned on for you to put in engines. Except 7.3 Power strokes got Motorcraft 15w40 quarts out of a box. I do not think motorcraft has a refinery or oil blending plant but they knew someone who does. I hope you can find some oil that works like before. It may be a brand you are using now or one you have to search and find.
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TimNearFortWorth
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 8:44am |
All lubricant companies have kept their heads down since changing formulas mandated by the government, as they don't want to draw attention to the changes. Mandated by Uncle Sam, effective last December and now that most old stock is used up the "newer formulas" are hitting the shelves heavily. Without getting into brand names and what is better for what applications, you now must do some serious research to find out what works best for you, period.
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SLee(IA)
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:06am |
Darrel, I have been using Cenex TMS 15-40 in everything from our diesel tractors and combine to my gas WD45 and our 1997 chevy pickup with the 454. Nothing uses oil including a 7030 and 190xt pushing 10,000 hours. It's great stuff. The 15-40 is a petroleum oil. That being said, in our newer cars I use auto gold 5w-30 because that is what they call for in the manual. The 5w-30 is a synthetic blend oil. I wonder if the straight weight oils were all petroleum oils and maybe now they switched to a synthetic blend also. I have heard that switching to synthetics in older engines causes problems. I have no idea if that is true or not. I hope you can get some answers. Hang in there and good luck. Steve
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ocharry
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 8:02pm |
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I would really like to know what your plans are Darrel..what your next move might be???
You really got me thinkin on this one...yep head is hurting too
But really I am interested in what you find
Ocharry
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 10:05pm |
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Well Ocharry, I think that I am going to try some cenex 518, multi viscosity oil. I haven't lost my faith in cenex oil yet. It is not fly by night oil. They own their own refinery, and package oil for many different companies. My brother used to manage a cenex station (until he died of cancer two years ago) and he had recommended that I use the 518. When the cenex here in my town didn't have the 518, he also agreed that the straight 30 auto gold should be alright. My thoughts when I first put in the 30 weight was that if the tractor started using oil, it was coming out immediately, and I was going to get some of the 518 from wherever I had to go to, to get it. But the first tractor I put the 30 weight into didn't have any adverse affects, and each aditional tractor that I put it into worked out well, too. So why would have I wanted to mess with success. .? I'll keep you posted. Darrel
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 10:37pm |
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As was mentioned, check your filters. That definitely was the problem when the guy had to go out on the road to change his oil and filter and we had them come in once in while with filter failure, change it out, top off the oil and they were good to go. I overhauled a old Ford 292 one time and the fellow wanted to use this cheap oil filter he had. Oil pressure wouldn't come up on start up so I changed the filter to a good one and pressure ran 60# hot. I've always recommended Lubri-Finer filters where available. I presume they still make Cat's filters. If you pull the valve covers and start the tractor be sure and put some kind of guard around the top of the engine because if the filter is messed up it'll usually flood the top of the engine and make the engine drink oil like drunken sailor. No use messing up your nice clean floor. LOL
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 11:42pm |
I was wondering what Superlube compared to Cenex 518 so Googled it, looks like the 518 is straight oil, | SuperLube TMS® (Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil)
SuperLube TMS Heavy
Duty Diesel Engine Oil features an advanced additive system for
heavy-duty diesel and gasoline engines. It’s formulated with 25% more
reserve capacity to protect engines operating under high load and high
temperature conditions. The reserve capacity formulation has been proven
in millions of miles and several thousand hours of field tests.
SuperLube TMS meets or exceeds the specifications for manufacturer's
warranties and can be used to meet warranty requirements .
- Protects against sludge, varnish, engine wear and TBN loss.
- Outstanding soot control.
- Extended drain capacity.
- Superior oxidation performance.
- Formulated with hydrocracked base oils.
- Superior TBN retention.
- Excellent cold weather performance.
- Available in 10w-30 and 15w-40.
- Backed by the Total Protection Plan Warranty for agricultural equipment.
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SuperLube 518TM (Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oil)
SuperLube 518 is a
field-proven, heavy-duty diesel oil engineered for high output diesel
and old SR gasoline engines operating under severe conditions. In field
tests, SuperLube 518 demonstrates excellent Total Base Number (TBN)
retention. This means that the detergents and dispersants are working
hard throughout the entire drain interval to protect your engine.
- Protects against sludge, varnish, engine wear and TBN loss.
- Excellent cold weather performance.
- Superior oxidation performance.
- Formulated with hydrocracked base oils.
- Superior deposit control.
- Available in 10W, 20W, 30, 40 and 50 grade.
- Backed by the Total Protection Plan Warranty for agricultural equipment.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 11:47pm |
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There was a discussion here on the forum several years ago about oils and I took the advice to run synthetic in engines that I run in cold weather. I now use Mobile 1, 10w40 in my Cat powered Freightliner. It does seem to start easier and the oil pressure comes up quicker although it doesn't run quite as high pressure as the 15w40 I used to run. Time will tell on how it lasts in the long run.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 8:09am |
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Some interesting information there, John. Looks like the super lube is good for gas engines, too. Seems like I had a discussion with both, my brother and local cenex guy about using super lube in my gas tractors, and both of them had a good reason to NOT use the super lube in my gas tractors. I can't remember now what that reason was. Kind of hard to ask my brother now. Maybe the local guy can refresh my memory. Thanks John. Darrel
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Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 8:14am |
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I've read if you have an older engine and it has solid lifters then you should be using a diesel grade oil in that engine because it has more anti wear properties than oils
for gas engines these days.And if there are no obvious leaks with that much oil loss then its got to be going out the stack.
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Tbone95
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Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:36am |
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Could it be volatilizing and going out the breather as vapor?
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Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:48am |
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We have used Superlube TMS 15W-40 on our farm since 1992. The only overhauls we have done were engines purchased with known problems or injector failure burning up a piston
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 8:21am |
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DUDE.....you are running out of motorized equipment!
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 9:03am |
CAL(KS) wrote:
We have used Superlube TMS 15W-40 on our farm since 1992. The only overhauls we have done were engines purchased with known problems or injector failure burning up a piston |
Cal, do you run that in your gas tractors, too.....? Or don't you have any gas units around there....?
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 9:13am |
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everything except the wifes minivan and my parents cars. the gas tractors don't get used much though
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 9:31am |
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I also use superlube 15 40 in everthing on the farm . small engines ,trucks gas and diesel , and all tractors and have had no complaints. My wife's Toyota uses a thin oil and that is the only one that does not get superlube. I hope you figure out your problem.let us know how it goes. Scott
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