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DrAllis 
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 Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:09pm |
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If you removed a rear tire from a combine that has fluid in it and a donut weight, roll it around a while until you figure it out.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:32pm |
 DrAllis wrote:
If you removed a rear tire from a combine that has fluid in it and a donut weight, roll it around a while until you figure it out. |
Yes,I understand that the tire is heavy, does that weight not get transferred to the spindle/axle to hold the back end down? My response/reply is basically to the guy that said wheel weights don't put stress on the spindles or axles. If the wheels aren't "pulling down" on the spindles/axles, how are the wheel weights doing anything? That's all I am trying to grasp.
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:52pm |
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OK if you jack the back axle of the combine up to the point you can separate the wheels and hubs as a units off the axle and then filled the tires with 100 pounds fluid plus bolted 200 pounds of cast weights on the wheels and hubs per side will you need to lift or lower the combine back axle because of the additional weight?
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Roger (NE)
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Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:11pm |
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Had an F with fat back wheels in the 80's. With 438 corn head it was a bit light in the back end even with that option. Our land is mostly terraced rolling hills. Last Gleaner I owned.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:48pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
DrAllis wrote:
If you removed a rear tire from a combine that has fluid in it and a donut weight, roll it around a while until you figure it out. |
Yes,I understand that the tire is heavy, does that weight not get transferred to the spindle/axle to hold the back end down? My response/reply is basically to the guy that said wheel weights don't put stress on the spindles or axles. If the wheels aren't "pulling down" on the spindles/axles, how are the wheel weights doing anything? That's all I am trying to grasp. |
Yeah it's all connected but the added weight is not applying stress down on the axle,pivot or spindles. You don't seem to grasp the concept.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 8:11pm |
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Fair enough, was under the impression that weight pulled down toward the ground is all. I am well aware of the "OH S%^T" feeling backing up a hill with the same set-up as the OP though, not fun!!
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DSeries4
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Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 9:09am |
DrAllis wrote:
The fat backs are the kind that if you have a flat tire, you call the tire man to come to the field. Those tractor weights on that F-3 are interesting. I've never seen it done like that and am curious if it was homemade?? by the selling dealership ?? |
Didn't look homemade. The weight hanger was welded directly to the axle and looked professionally done. The paint on it matched the rest of the paint on the axle with no overspray. We were told it was a factory option. Of course, people will say lots of things to make a sale!
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bradley6874
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Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 11:27am |
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Try this if the wheel weighs 1 lb or 500 lb that doesn't change the weight of the combine on the spindles if you add 500 lbs to the axel that extra weight is constantly on the spindles theres pros and cons to both with no weights an f will just about float In mud suit case weights are easy to remove when done corn
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 11:57am |
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Just wondering... How many of you guys carrying a 4 or 5 row cornhead on your gleaner F, F2, or F3 have repaired its RIGHT rear steer spindle collar where factory welded it to rear axle tube?
I've repaired numerous K2s. Maybe the Fs were built stronger?
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SteveMaskey(MO)
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Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 12:38pm |
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AC7060IL not a K or F but I broke my C2 axle there and also broke some spindles
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Ray54
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Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 9:16pm |
AC7060IL wrote:
Just wondering... How many of you guys carrying a 4 or 5 row cornhead on your gleaner F, F2, or F3 have repaired its RIGHT rear steer spindle collar where factory welded it to rear axle tube?
I've repaired numerous K2s. Maybe the Fs were built stronger? |
Having turned a few wrenches on the MH's from a 75 to a 83 or 84 model you could see the changes ever year. The center pivot shaft on the axle on the 75 was much thinner than the 78 we had in the field at the same time. Yes the 75 feel on the ground one day. Very lucky that it happen on what I call a flat  piece of ground you could drive the pickup right up to it. The hillside Gleaner's where never known to have a rear axle that all that stout. The spindles, an tie rods would break as well as the linkage to tilt the wheels to keep standing straight when leveled over on the hill.
Edited by Ray54 - 22 Dec 2018 at 9:20pm
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Lonn
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Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 9:14am |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Fair enough, was under the impression that weight pulled down toward the ground is all. I am well aware of the "OH S%^T" feeling backing up a hill with the same set-up as the OP though, not fun!! |
Easy explanation. Take a 6 foot cheap curtain rod and put a bearing and 30# weight on each end. It'll roll around just fine even though the curtain rod couldn't possibly support the weight if you lifted it with the added weight. The only added stress the combine axle would have added to it would be the rolling resistance added by the weights. That would be minuscule at best on your combine.
Edited by Lonn - 23 Dec 2018 at 9:17am
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GM Guy
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Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 6:35pm |
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IMO find some Fatbacks or some bolt in cast weights, and skip the calcium. Spindles and rear axles are not bulletproof on these, and the tire is the only cushion in the system, so reducing axle weight and preserving tire shock absorbtion is key IMO.
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Meanolallis
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Posted: 12 Jan 2019 at 10:45am |
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If you are able to pick the rear end up because the head is so heavy or you're going downhill, then the rear axle will be under more stress with the rear wheel weights because it will be holding the wheels and weights in the air and not just the wheels.
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