Weights for Gleaner F2
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Topic: Weights for Gleaner F2
Posted By: Johnwilson_osf
Subject: Weights for Gleaner F2
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 8:47pm
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Greetings Allis family, Was backing up the F2 the other day at a neighbors farm (up a small hill) and the rear end picked up off the ground. I had the corn header low to the ground, so I didn't do a faceplant. I am curious if anyone has built a weight rack for the rear axle of their Gleaner, and if so, how did you build it, and how much counter weight would I need to keep my rear on the ground? I have wheel weights on the front of my 6080 to keep the front on the ground when I use some heavy 3PT equipment, and those wheel weights do not fit the steering wheels of the gleaner. Thank you for your thoughts. John ------------- Allis Express: Eastern PA on Rt 80 8050, 8010, 6080, 190, D14, DA 6035, AA 6690, 5650, Gleaner F2 |
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 9:38pm
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The sidehill MH's came from the dealer with the rear tires filled. I think the backs are 12x24 a little bigger than put on flatlanders so a good load in them. But they would still get off the ground. After braking all kinds of rear axle parts we left them dry when the tires were replaced. Made a heck of a lot of down hill turns on lots of real nasty places, just keep the header down almost touching the ground. But I did do a face plant when I was a green kid,I never forgot to put the header down again. I really thought I was going end over end. By the time I got out of the window it was still going backward up the hill.
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Posted By: Dan Hauter
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 10:05pm
| Dad bought a new Gleaner "F" in 1975. Combined wheat and beans with it, then put on the 4 row "wide" corn head and headed down into the creek bottom with the corn head fully raised. The combine pitched forward and landed with the corn head jammed into the ground. The combine was at a pretty steep angle. That was some pretty strong windshield glass because I stayed in the cab. I ran the quarter mile plus back to the house. Mom and Dad said I was white and out of breath. Dad and I took a tractor and chain and pulled the combine onto 4 wheels and back to the top of the hill. The combine wouldn't start and Dad said we'd already had enough for the day. The next day 2 mechanics came and welded weight brackets on both sides of the rear axle and hung suitcase weights. I think we had 2 weights on each side of the axle. Our later M2 came with donut weights on both rear wheels. Corn heads didn't raise as high on the newer combines and the M2 was OK with the rear weights and no fluid in the rear tires Heavy wheel weights, though. Had to remove one in the field to take off the tire and wheel and get a flat fixed. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 11:01pm
| Uncles 76 F had slab weights on angle braces to rear axle.Pretty sure it came that way. My F2 has fluid in rears. Not too tippy with 4-30 black head. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 5:26am
| We had the slab weights on our F and used donut weights on the rear of the F3. Both had 4 row heads. Doesn’t take a lot of weight but our ground is pretty flat here. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 6:32am
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Weld a piece of RR track onto the back axle that ought help hold it down and make the axle stronger too. |
Posted By: SteveMaskey(MO)
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 6:43am
| When I bought my C2 the previous owner had used a 6 row corn head and had it weighted down. I used only a grain head and like Ray54 I broke the rear axle into and broke spindles. The combine would not go well in muddy conditions so I put it on a diet. Had XT slab weights stacked on the rear frame and rear tires were loaded. A lot of people don’t realize how heavy those corn heads are |
Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 7:00am
We use to have a 76' F and dad put I think IH cub weights in the rear wheels for the 4 row corn head that we had. If I remember right, we put them on the F2 that we had also. I think I still have those sitting in the shed. Haven't found another use for them yet 
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 7:14am
| F-2/F-3's had a kit where you added 75 lb suitcase weights from a 185 or 200 tractor just ahead of the rear axle. If you have an Owners manual, they are pictured in the back of the book where the accessories are. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 9:32am
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Consider adding a second fuel tank (can be bought from salvage)mounted behind the original tank. Plumb together both tanks to share a constant fuel level. Though it's higher center of gravity may not be idea for steeper hill settings? |
Posted By: steve fischer
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 9:54am
| have f2 for parts and has rear wheel weights on it thanks Steve 507 766 0551 |
Posted By: only AC orange
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 10:06am
| donut weights on wheels won't put stress on spindles / axles like other proposed ideas! look in salvage yards for donut wts. |
Posted By: Chad (MN)
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 10:27am
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Will the cast iron wheels/rims from a 'G' Gleaner fit on an F? ------------- 220 3-190XT 2-D19d D19g 5-D17 UC 3-WC 2-WD 3-WD45 CA C H3 7-AllCrops 14-plows 3-Gleaners Lawnmowers SC-equipment |
Posted By: old farmer
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 11:24am
| I had an F years ago that had the cast wheels, but I don’t know if they interchange. |
Posted By: Johnwilson_osf
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 4:46pm
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Thank you all, I will look into the manual to see what the original accessories were for weights. I think if I had to, I would look for donut weights for the rear wheels. There are a few tractor salvage yards in PA that might have them. John ------------- Allis Express: Eastern PA on Rt 80 8050, 8010, 6080, 190, D14, DA 6035, AA 6690, 5650, Gleaner F2 |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 5:23pm
Why not?? Weight is weight, right??
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only AC orange wrote:Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 7:23pm
| Weight is NOT weight! It matters where it's applied as to what it loads. Would you rather have 50# wts around your ankles or on your shoulders for a hike? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 7:42pm
| Are the wheels not attatched to the spindles or axles?? They are on our F2. The weight has to get transferred somewhere?? |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 8:15pm
I don't know what to say....
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:36am
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Fluid in the tires pretty much puts the weight onto the bottom and sides
of the tire only and not on the spindles or axles. That's the way I see
it anyhow. Cast iron wheels weights, in my mind, would be similar but
the weight would be on the wheel also but still not on the axle
itself???? I think  ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:14am
| Fluid in the rear tires, or added donut weights to the rear rims or the "fat back" solid cast iron rear wheels all do the same thing: put weight on the tire without any added stress to the frame/chassis. The frame isn't carrying the extra weight. The tire is. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:37am
| Like the Dr. says.....If the weight is hanging on the back axel, the axel carries it, applies weight and leverage to the spindles, and the whole thing supported by the tires. If you put in on the wheel/in the tire, only the tire is supporting it. |
Posted By: only AC orange
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:48am
| Don't know where in Pa. you're located but Bryant Combine Salvage in Bryant, In. would be a good place to look for donut wts. or the cast iron wheels! Opportunity for a road trip. |
Posted By: AC7040
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 9:27am
 I believe the donut weights in the rear of my F are what you are referring too. ------------- 1953-WD45, 1949-G, 1950s Snap-Coupler All-Crop Drill, 1956 Roto-Baler, 1945 All Crop 60, Snap Coupler Subsoiler, Plow, Gleaner F, 505 wagon |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 9:33am
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Dad's old F3 came with factory weights on the back axle if you look
closely at the picture below. When the combine was sold we kept the
weights and put them on the 6080.  If you are wondering about the sign, it is at Summerix in Lachine MI.  ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 10:35am
| Those are "fat back" wheels on that combine. They also had donut weights that bolted right to the original/standard equip steel wheel, but they weren't near as heavy as fat back wheels. |
Posted By: LYNNMN
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 10:41am
| I used a heavy pipe stuck in opening on center of axle and put weights from tractor rear wheels on pipe. worked for me |
Posted By: AC7040
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 11:11am
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O okay. Thanks as always for your knowledge Dr. Allis. I wasn't sure what the correct term was for them. ------------- 1953-WD45, 1949-G, 1950s Snap-Coupler All-Crop Drill, 1956 Roto-Baler, 1945 All Crop 60, Snap Coupler Subsoiler, Plow, Gleaner F, 505 wagon |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 12:29pm
| The fat backs are the kind that if you have a flat tire, you call the tire man to come to the field. Those tractor weights on that F-3 are interesting. I've never seen it done like that and am curious if it was homemade?? by the selling dealership ?? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 5:15pm
But the"weight" is STILL putting "forces" on the spindles/axles?? Otherwise, what's the point of weights on the rear?? Perhaps I don't understand, but if a guy put's weights on the ass end to hold her down backing up a hill, where does the added weight get transferred to on the level land?? On the steering spindles/ axles, yes or no ?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:09pm
| If you removed a rear tire from a combine that has fluid in it and a donut weight, roll it around a while until you figure it out. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:32pm
Yes,I understand that the tire is heavy, does that weight not get transferred to the spindle/axle to hold the back end down? My response/reply is basically to the guy that said wheel weights don't put stress on the spindles or axles. If the wheels aren't "pulling down" on the spindles/axles, how are the wheel weights doing anything? That's all I am trying to grasp.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 6:52pm
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OK if you jack the back axle of the combine up to the point you can separate the wheels and hubs as a units off the axle and then filled the tires with 100 pounds fluid plus bolted 200 pounds of cast weights on the wheels and hubs per side will you need to lift or lower the combine back axle because of the additional weight? ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:11pm
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Had an F with fat back wheels in the 80's. With 438 corn head it was a bit light in the back end even with that option. Our land is mostly terraced rolling hills. Last Gleaner I owned. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:48pm
Yeah it's all connected but the added weight is not applying stress down on the axle,pivot or spindles. You don't seem to grasp the concept.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 8:11pm
| Fair enough, was under the impression that weight pulled down toward the ground is all. I am well aware of the "OH S%^T" feeling backing up a hill with the same set-up as the OP though, not fun!! |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 9:09am
Didn't look homemade. The weight hanger was welded directly to the axle and looked professionally done. The paint on it matched the rest of the paint on the axle with no overspray. We were told it was a factory option. Of course, people will say lots of things to make a sale! ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 11:27am
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Try this if the wheel weighs 1 lb or 500 lb that doesn't change the weight of the combine on the spindles if you add 500 lbs to the axel that extra weight is constantly on the spindles theres pros and cons to both with no weights an f will just about float In mud suit case weights are easy to remove when done corn ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 11:57am
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Just wondering... How many of you guys carrying a 4 or 5 row cornhead on your gleaner F, F2, or F3 have repaired its RIGHT rear steer spindle collar where factory welded it to rear axle tube? I've repaired numerous K2s. Maybe the Fs were built stronger? |
Posted By: SteveMaskey(MO)
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 12:38pm
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AC7060IL not a K or F but I broke my C2 axle there and also broke some spindles |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2018 at 9:16pm
Having turned a few wrenches on the MH's from a 75 to a 83 or 84 model you could see the changes ever year. The center pivot shaft on the axle on the 75 was much thinner than the 78 we had in the field at the same time. Yes the 75 feel on the ground one day. Very lucky that it happen on what I call a flat
 piece of ground you could drive the pickup right up to it. The hillside Gleaner's where never known to have a rear axle that all that stout. The spindles, an tie rods would break as well as the linkage to tilt the wheels to keep standing straight when leveled over on the hill. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 9:14am
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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2019 at 6:35pm
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IMO find some Fatbacks or some bolt in cast weights, and skip the calcium. Spindles and rear axles are not bulletproof on these, and the tire is the only cushion in the system, so reducing axle weight and preserving tire shock absorbtion is key IMO. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: Meanolallis
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2019 at 10:45am
| If you are able to pick the rear end up because the head is so heavy or you're going downhill, then the rear axle will be under more stress with the rear wheel weights because it will be holding the wheels and weights in the air and not just the wheels. |