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Allis-chalmers wd45 
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 Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 7:09am |
Thanks guys wel see what happens today! You guys are the best! 
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1946 "C"
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1965 "D17" Series IV
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deutz allis 385 planter
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Allis-chalmers wd45
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 4:27pm |
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Well I checked the manifold gaskets and they didn't leak so I'm convinced its maybe a head gasket or something else I checked the timing and fiddled with the plugs but still was the same . All this happened after I got the new distributor iforgot the put it back to where the old one was a d after that's its just been running like this. Good news is I'm starting the tear down and ordering the top end kit for my birthday and starting to get other stuff and fixing her up soon!
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1946 "C"
1956 "WD45"
1965 "D17" Series IV
1979 185 factory ROPS
deutz allis 385 planter
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 7:02pm |
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Did you ever try to short out one plug at a time to see which ones are firing and which ones aren't? If you didn't do this, your wasting your time and money buying more stuff to put on the engine. If this all started after putting in the new distributor, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you have 2 plug wires switched around. Just for the heck of it, switch number 2 and number 3 wires around and see what happens. If it don't start put them back and switch 1 and 4 around. It's a real cheap experiment that could save you a lot of time and trouble.
"I'm convinced its maybe a head gasket or something else" This is where you get in trouble finding a problem, being convinced you did everything right with the tune up and plug wires.
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 25 Sep 2012 at 7:02pm
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 7:27pm |
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I'll second Charlie's note:
Being convinced of something, particularly when having nothing to validate the conclusion, results in much wasted time and money.
I'll go back to the firstish post, where you noted that you changed the plugs, and it ran fine for a while, then it didn't run well...
That is NOT a symptom commonly attributed to a bad head gasket.
It is a symptom most common to fuel and ignition problems... particularly a bad point spring or condenser, bad coil, or plugged fuel strainer, jet, damaged air jet, sticking float valve, or nasty fuel. The plugged oil-bath air cleaner is a good suggestion too... although it usually makes it run like the choke is permanently pulled halfway out...
Before yanking the head, why not go for the leakdown test... as IT will reveal, to substantial accuracy, not only a problem with head/gasket issues, it will also identify valve, piston ring, liner, and liner seal problems.
And I'll second the other previous note- if you identify your locality with a little more precision, perhaps one of the other Poconos area enthusiasts will offer to swing by with an AC stethoscope and give it a fresh set of eyes.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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Allis-chalmers wd45
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:24pm |
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Well here's the thing I already need a rebuild because it smokes like crazy. Like no other. And my head gasket did develope a small leak in the front of the engine . How do I ground out each plug too? And I will switch the plug wires tomorrow and let you guys know! Thanks again you guys truly are the best info and help around!
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1946 "C"
1956 "WD45"
1965 "D17" Series IV
1979 185 factory ROPS
deutz allis 385 planter
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:28pm |
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1-2-4-3 , clockwise rotation
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:35pm |
 Allis-chalmers wd45 wrote:
How do I ground out each plug too? And I will switch the plug wires tomorrow and let you guys know! Thanks again you guys truly are the best info and help around! |
If the wires have good caps on the plugs and you trust them to be good, just start it up and pull one wire at a time to find out which cylinders are working. Don't run it without letting the spark go to ground though or you could burn a track in the cap that will steal your spark. In the old days, when there weren't caps on the plug end of the wire, you just stuck a screwdriver on the block and lean it into the top of the plug.
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 25 Sep 2012 at 9:37pm
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Allis-chalmers wd45
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:47pm |
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Okay great I will try tomorrow!!!
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1979 185 factory ROPS
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:55pm |
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I'd venture to say that a couple of those new spark plugs are oil fouled. That's why it ran fine when you first replaced them. I'd pull the plugs and check them again.
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 9:56pm |
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Stan might have it there too.
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Allis-chalmers wd45
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 6:56am |
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But then won't it keep fouling them?
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1956 "WD45"
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1979 185 factory ROPS
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 7:03am |
If they are fouled again, it's because of the excess oil going past worn out rings and valve stem seals/guides. You can try running hotter spark plugs as a temp. fix maybe but the solution is an engine rebuild. Again that's if they are being oil fouled.
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 9:47am |
SteveM C/IL wrote:
1-2-4-3 , clockwise rotation |
is #1 cyl near the radiator or close to the starter? standing on the distributor side of the tractor or on the carb side?
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Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 1:51pm |
firephight wrote:
SteveM C/IL wrote:
1-2-4-3 , clockwise rotation |
is #1 cyl near the radiator or close to the starter? standing on the distributor side of the tractor or on the carb side? |
Closest to radiator.
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Allis-chalmers wd45
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Posted: 27 Sep 2012 at 7:17am |
Well I found the problem! Tore her all apart yesterday and took my head of to find that the #1 piston. Had a pencil eraser sized hole burnt through it running along the side of the sleeve going down so that's why it was miss firing ! Time for a rebuild ! 
Edited by Allis-chalmers wd45 - 27 Sep 2012 at 7:18am
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1946 "C"
1956 "WD45"
1965 "D17" Series IV
1979 185 factory ROPS
deutz allis 385 planter
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