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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11525 |
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Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 5:47pm |
Our old Deere has been used as a grain trough for the last couple decades. Not much left of it anymore.
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EPALLIS
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 1124 |
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I grew up with one of those elevators you mentioned. We used it in the summer to get hay to the hay mow and in the winter to get the ear corn into the wooden corn crib. I think it had a briggs and stratton engine on it. The brand was "Universal". It sat outside all the time. We used a bushel basket to cover the engine. It came with montgomery ward rubber tires on it. When the tires blew out and we went to big bales and shell corn. It was sold it to an old iron dealer for little or nothing.
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Tbone95
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Yep. Same thing with my 2 New Ideas I’ve had. No big deal. I’ve done it that way for 50 years now, to some extent. I’d have a hard time laying one on the strings! Edited by Tbone95 - 28 Jan 2023 at 4:18pm |
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4556 |
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A neighbor had a John Deere. They had to put bales on edge because it was too narrow to put them on flat.
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Les Kerf
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I have no idea what brand ours is that is in my photo above, it will barely pull three hay bales because it has a small motor and the belt isn't very tight; I figure that is a good safety system so no need to 'improve' it. Besides, I am to old to keep up with more than that nowadays
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Tbone95
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Something obviously wrong with that Deere. I mean, it’s a pretty simple concept machine. Ours was a long one and worked fine. If you were fast, and grandpa wasn’t around, you could get 17 bales on it, no room for any more! Corn heaped as deep as the trough. The only thing wrong with ours was it needed a new sprocket on the drive, the teeth were about worn off, couldn’t do the 17 bales anymore or the chain would jump the sprocket teeth. The only reason we quit using it was the cables broke and it crashed down and screwed the transport up.
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Wayne180d
Orange Level Joined: 08 Dec 2015 Location: Gilman, Il Points: 5925 |
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We had a Kewaunee would take corn as fst as you could unload. Another farm had a John Deere Biggest piece of crap a guy could own.. They had added an extra 20 feet on it to make it work in this crib had to use a 3/4 dowel rod as a shear pin so you didn't tear it up. More than one ear of corn to a flight or half a cup of beans it would shear. Couldn't have been happier when the landlord let us haul everything to town
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 30491 |
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That theft issue has become HUGE issue around the state of MO. Tweakers stealing for scrap metals, antique 'Foragers' walking onto VISIBLY utilized private property cutting locks or fence or displacing gates and gap fence 'Claiming' as Abandoned when obviously not. Grab anything of value they can find and trash perfectly good and being used materials the owners had stored in the process. Happens every time warm spells hit across five counties close to here.
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200Tom1
Orange Level Joined: 03 Jun 2019 Location: Iowa Points: 1194 |
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Dad had a older Kewanee that was too narrow to put hay in the barn. He wound up with a single chain Case elevator. It worked well to put small bales in the barn. It also was driven by a 10 HP gas engine. It worked well because the north farm was 5 miles north of home. There were 2 barns, an old house and a couple of sheds that we filled with hay. A 5 gallon can of gas left in 1 of the barns would last most of 5he summer. Unfortunately both are gone now. They were stolen when all the rest of dads machinery was stolen after he passed away.
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Les Kerf
Orange Level Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 745 |
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Firewood in Idaho
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shameless dude
Orange Level Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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i've got a couple of them, a Stanhoist and another i'm not sure what brand.
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Les Kerf
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My late Father-in-law grew up on a farm near Meridian, Idaho; he told of a neighbor's John Deere A that couldn't handle a certain blower so his Dad put their new Allis CA on it which handled it just fine. I have no clue what size the blower was. I own a hay/grain elevator that we use for hay bales and firewood. Absolutely no corn grown outside of a small garden here in northern Idaho, growing season is much too short. |
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Tbone95
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I gave mine away a few months ago! Yes, gave, free. Was a New Idea 2 row.
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Darwin W. Kurtz
Orange Level Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Location: Westphalia, KS Points: 4861 |
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So we're talking wire cribs and ear corn elevators.......are there any good pickers out there
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Tbone95
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Sure would!!
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4556 |
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A friend has a 105' high silo. That would take quite an elevator!
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Tbone95
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We had a Deere 630, it did fine on a blower. However, if yours was in fact a G, a 630 is close to 20 HP more. And our silo was only 40 feet, not as tall as some. And. . . maybe we took it a little easier because that's all our wagons could reliably handle. But yeah, in any case, when it's time to fill silo, it's time to GO.
I am so 100% absolutely thrilled to back into the bunker, dump, and go!
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5715 |
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Okay, so... the reason for running a silage elevator, rather than a blower, was about PTO horsepower at a given speed. My Grandfather ran a silage blower off his WC, and later, off his D17. For a little while, When I was very young, He HAD an earlier JD twin (I THINK it might've been a G) which I think he wound up with as result of a neighbor/friend passing away. I asked him many years later about it, and his explanation was to the effect that, in a macro sense, it was good at a few things, but from a performance aspect, was very weak in others. The one thing he specifically noted, was that the 2-cylinder engine could not run a blower hard enough to fill a high silo lift, but the WC 'could do it all day'. I suspect it had to do with governed RPM, belt pulley diameters, and HP/HRs/Gallon at full governed speed. Note that A blower, wether loaded with silage or not, draws a considerable amount of input horsepower because it's moving air through a rather lossy tube. If this actually WAS the case (and I don't have any way to test/prove either way, but would bring my WD to try it), then it would stand to reason why one would opt for an elevator instead... and JD would likely have been very committed to getting mechanical elevators out to deal with that situation. An elevator, in comparison to a blower, is probably going to come out much more energy-efficient for loading the silo, but it certainly won't be as fast, and it will require considerably more maintenance to keep it operational. The popularity of blowers for silage is very significantly on SPEED... because, unlike what most non-agriculturistic people generalize, farming is NOT a leisurely paced occupation.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4556 |
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My grandfather had a case like you describe. I never saw it used for anything other than hay. Since they had narrow paddles only in the middle, they didn't work very well for hay if it was very steep. I remember when we were kids, we would slide down it from the hay mow. If the belt tighter (that engaged the motor) was loose, we could get the chain to turn backwards. When I think back, we are all very lucky we survived some of the stuff we did as kids!
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AllisFreak MN
Orange Level Access Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1533 |
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We had a Kelly-Ryan when I was a kid. It was old then and that was a long time ago. It always worked fine. It got tipped over by the wind once, we stood her back up and straightened a little sheet metal and it still worked.
Edited by AllisFreak MN - 19 Jan 2023 at 5:44pm |
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Tbone95
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Dad used to do the same thing. His "logic" was not enough HP tractor left over to operate a blower. That, and multiple uses of one piece of equipment, while times were lean. I don't remember this, we used a blower in my earliest memories. Our Deere elevator was 60 feet, cranked up to reach a 40 foot silo. Probably why the bottom was all rotted out later in life.
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ac hunter
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Location: OHIO Points: 972 |
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I remember a dairy farmer not far from us using what I recall as a John Deere elevator to fill 3 concrete stave silos around the late '50's - early '60's. Was cranked up pretty steep and was an unusually long elevator but saw it in use once and sitting ready to use several times. Not sure what the logic was over a blower.
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tadams(OH)
Orange Level Access Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 9978 |
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Wire cribs are still all around Ohio & I am sure if you attended auctions around here there is still elevators
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Dennis J OPKs
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Overland Park, Points: 410 |
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Another mfg. of elevators, found mostly in eastern NE. & western IA. was Valley Mfg. out of Valley NE. They are now Valmont Industries & have gone on to bigger and better things. In the old days it was elevators & irrigation equipment. They made a good product, we had a 52 ft one used for ear corn, soybeans & hay. Needed all of the length to reach top of the corn crib. Was powered by a 15 h.p. Briggs motor and worked very well.
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Tbone95
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Oh wow, you're in the UP! That'd be a sight to be pulling one across Mighty Mac!
Imagine shipping it on a flatbed in chunks is a an option. A pricey one, but an optionl Bummer.
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11525 |
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I'm in Michigan. How long is your elevator?
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allisorange
Silver Level Joined: 27 Mar 2010 Location: perkins, michig Points: 377 |
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If you were close to Michigan that I would sell You. Its a Harvey with the fold up sides. Works well and is under cover. J Carlson
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Tbone95
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We have always used this style of elevator, and have a wire frame crib. I no longer use the crib, we didn't build the foundation correctly and it got undermined by woodchucks so bad it broke up. Ended up pooling water, rotting the corn, just not convenient at all, I use a combine and solid bin now.
We had a Deere elevator when I was a kid. When it wore out and rotted out we got a New Idea. I almost died on that New Idea, no exaggeration, but that's a different story. We bought a longer one, at the time Mighty Handy had bought out New Idea. I'm not sure, this was probably about 20 years ago. This fall, I was too efficient. I like to take it down and park it away from the barn when we're done with hay, because it's sort of in the way for cleaning the pens, and water can collect in the bottom of it and rust. Typically don't get around to it for a while. This year, I was on the ball and took it down to the area it gets parked in the off season. Huge wind storm came through and knocked a tree down on it and wrecked 2 or 3 sections. Dealer said Mighty Handy doesn't make them anymore, just no demand. He also told me that when word got out that they weren't making them, an Iodine mine in Oklahoma (I think) came to the factory and bought everything they had because they used them. So. . . if anyone has a New Idea or Mighty Handy elevator around, I sure could use a couple sections!!!
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modirt
Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Missouri Points: 7064 |
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My guess is a wire corn crib would be easier to find than working elevators. Did not know Case, Allis, etc, made them. Thought most would have been short line. Ours was a Kewaunee. It had the fold down feed auger. Prior to installed a hoist on the grain truck, we had a ground hoist. Would raise front axle off the ground about 3 or 4 feet. Raise feed auger on the elevator. Drive thru hoist, lower feed auger, back up truck and let it dump. First half pretty easy, 2nd half required a kid (me) with scoop shovel to get last of it out. Rise and repeat. The good old days.
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plummerscarin
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3356 |
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You got that right!! Have sold shell corn to people feeding deer in town.
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