How common are they?
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Topic: How common are they?
Posted By: modirt
Subject: How common are they?
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 3:31pm
Two old farm items.
One.....what we called an elevator.....drag chain with cross pieces.......used to put ear corn into a crib and small square hay bales into a barn loft. Brands can remember were Kewaunee, Owatonna, John Deere? Maybe others? Any good working models remaining?
Second: Wire frame corn cribs. Look like a grain bin, but sides made of wire. Used to store ear corn.
Still out there?
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 3:51pm
The Amish in our area still use the wire corn cribs.
Little Giant elevators were popular in our area.
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Posted By: Darrell G (MN)
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 3:57pm
We just has an Allis Chalmers elevator donated to our club Upper Midwest A/C Club, we restored it and used it at our 2022 show to move wheat.
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 4:03pm
The farther north and east in dairy country you go, you will more than likely find ear corn bins.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 5:08pm
A few are still in place in MO, especially around Dairy country south and west of Jefferson City
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Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 5:37pm
Two chains with paddles, used for ear corn, baled hay. I see a few folks use them for firewood.
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 5:47pm
modirt wrote:
Two old farm items.
One.....what we called an elevator.....drag chain with cross pieces.......used to put ear corn into a crib and small square hay bales into a barn loft. Brands can remember were Kewaunee, Owatonna, John Deere? Maybe others? Any good working models remaining?
Second: Wire frame corn cribs. Look like a grain bin, but sides made of wire. Used to store ear corn.
Still out there?
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Posted By: Darwin W. Kurtz
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 5:51pm
CASE elevators were popular around here. You folded the sides down flat for bales, folded them up for grain, slanted them for ear corn, had a big heavy ear corn hopper attachment that you could back a wagon up to and open the end gate
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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 6:38pm
2 wire cribs here. Wood tunnel goes up the center. Remember watching them get filled when I was little. They need new floors now. Time and varmints have not been kind. My accountant wants to relocate one and put back in to service or feeding stock and selling squirrel corn
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 6:41pm
Getting more for squirrel corn than can for combined corn!!!
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Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 6:55pm
You got that right!! Have sold shell corn to people feeding deer in town.
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 8:24pm
My guess is a wire corn crib would be easier to find than working elevators. Did not know Case, Allis, etc, made them. Thought most would have been short line. Ours was a Kewaunee. It had the fold down feed auger.
Prior to installed a hoist on the grain truck, we had a ground hoist. Would raise front axle off the ground about 3 or 4 feet. Raise feed auger on the elevator. Drive thru hoist, lower feed auger, back up truck and let it dump. First half pretty easy, 2nd half required a kid (me) with scoop shovel to get last of it out. Rise and repeat. The good old days.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 6:54am
We have always used this style of elevator, and have a wire frame crib. I no longer use the crib, we didn't build the foundation correctly and it got undermined by woodchucks so bad it broke up. Ended up pooling water, rotting the corn, just not convenient at all, I use a combine and solid bin now.
We had a Deere elevator when I was a kid. When it wore out and rotted out we got a New Idea. I almost died on that New Idea, no exaggeration, but that's a different story. We bought a longer one, at the time Mighty Handy had bought out New Idea. I'm not sure, this was probably about 20 years ago.
This fall, I was too efficient. I like to take it down and park it away from the barn when we're done with hay, because it's sort of in the way for cleaning the pens, and water can collect in the bottom of it and rust. Typically don't get around to it for a while. This year, I was on the ball and took it down to the area it gets parked in the off season. Huge wind storm came through and knocked a tree down on it and wrecked 2 or 3 sections. Dealer said Mighty Handy doesn't make them anymore, just no demand. He also told me that when word got out that they weren't making them, an Iodine mine in Oklahoma (I think) came to the factory and bought everything they had because they used them.
So. . . if anyone has a New Idea or Mighty Handy elevator around, I sure could use a couple sections!!!
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Posted By: allisorange
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 6:57am
If you were close to Michigan that I would sell You. Its a Harvey with the fold up sides. Works well and
is under cover.
J Carlson
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 7:02am
allisorange wrote:
If you were close to Michigan that I would sell You. Its a Harvey with the fold up sides. Works well and
is under cover.
J Carlson
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I'm in Michigan. How long is your elevator?
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 7:05am
Oh wow, you're in the UP! That'd be a sight to be pulling one across Mighty Mac!
Imagine shipping it on a flatbed in chunks is a an option. A pricey one, but an optionl
Bummer.
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Posted By: Dennis J OPKs
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:06am
Another mfg. of elevators, found mostly in eastern NE. & western IA. was Valley Mfg. out of Valley NE. They are now Valmont Industries & have gone on to bigger and better things. In the old days it was elevators & irrigation equipment. They made a good product, we had a 52 ft one used for ear corn, soybeans & hay. Needed all of the length to reach top of the corn crib. Was powered by a 15 h.p. Briggs motor and worked very well.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 11:46am
Wire cribs are still all around Ohio & I am sure if you attended auctions around here there is still elevators
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Posted By: ac hunter
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 12:41pm
I remember a dairy farmer not far from us using what I recall as a John Deere elevator to fill 3 concrete stave silos around the late '50's - early '60's. Was cranked up pretty steep and was an unusually long elevator but saw it in use once and sitting ready to use several times. Not sure what the logic was over a blower.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 1:44pm
ac hunter wrote:
I remember a dairy farmer not far from us using what I recall as a John Deere elevator to fill 3 concrete stave silos around the late '50's - early '60's. Was cranked up pretty steep and was an unusually long elevator but saw it in use once and sitting ready to use several times. Not sure what the logic was over a blower. |
Dad used to do the same thing. His "logic" was not enough HP tractor left over to operate a blower. That, and multiple uses of one piece of equipment, while times were lean. I don't remember this, we used a blower in my earliest memories. Our Deere elevator was 60 feet, cranked up to reach a 40 foot silo. Probably why the bottom was all rotted out later in life.
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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 5:44pm
We had a Kelly-Ryan when I was a kid. It was old then and that was a long time ago. It always worked fine. It got tipped over by the wind once, we stood her back up and straightened a little sheet metal and it still worked.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 9:25pm
Darwin W. Kurtz wrote:
CASE elevators were popular around here. You folded the sides down flat for bales, folded them up for grain, slanted them for ear corn, had a big heavy ear corn hopper attachment that you could back a wagon up to and open the end gate |
My grandfather had a case like you describe. I never saw it used for anything other than hay. Since they had narrow paddles only in the middle, they didn't work very well for hay if it was very steep.
I remember when we were kids, we would slide down it from the hay mow. If the belt tighter (that engaged the motor) was loose, we could get the chain to turn backwards. When I think back, we are all very lucky we survived some of the stuff we did as kids!
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 5:26am
Okay, so... the reason for running a silage elevator, rather than a blower, was about PTO horsepower at a given speed.
My Grandfather ran a silage blower off his WC, and later, off his D17. For a little while, When I was very young, He HAD an earlier JD twin (I THINK it might've been a G) which I think he wound up with as result of a neighbor/friend passing away.
I asked him many years later about it, and his explanation was to the effect that, in a macro sense, it was good at a few things, but from a performance aspect, was very weak in others. The one thing he specifically noted, was that the 2-cylinder engine could not run a blower hard enough to fill a high silo lift, but the WC 'could do it all day'. I suspect it had to do with governed RPM, belt pulley diameters, and HP/HRs/Gallon at full governed speed. Note that A blower, wether loaded with silage or not, draws a considerable amount of input horsepower because it's moving air through a rather lossy tube.
If this actually WAS the case (and I don't have any way to test/prove either way, but would bring my WD to try it), then it would stand to reason why one would opt for an elevator instead... and JD would likely have been very committed to getting mechanical elevators out to deal with that situation.
An elevator, in comparison to a blower, is probably going to come out much more energy-efficient for loading the silo, but it certainly won't be as fast, and it will require considerably more maintenance to keep it operational. The popularity of blowers for silage is very significantly on SPEED... because, unlike what most non-agriculturistic people generalize, farming is NOT a leisurely paced occupation.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:35am
We had a Deere 630, it did fine on a blower. However, if yours was in fact a G, a 630 is close to 20 HP more. And our silo was only 40 feet, not as tall as some. And. . . maybe we took it a little easier because that's all our wagons could reliably handle. But yeah, in any case, when it's time to fill silo, it's time to GO.
I am so 100% absolutely thrilled to back into the bunker, dump, and go!
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:37am
A friend has a 105' high silo. That would take quite an elevator!
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:40am
Sure would!!
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Posted By: Darwin W. Kurtz
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 7:31am
So we're talking wire cribs and ear corn elevators.......are there any good pickers out there
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 8:42am
I gave mine away a few months ago! Yes, gave, free. Was a New Idea 2 row.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 9:32pm
DaveKamp wrote:
...the 2-cylinder engine could not run a blower hard enough to fill a high silo lift, but the WC 'could do it all day'. I suspect it had to do with governed RPM, belt pulley diameters, and HP/HRs/Gallon at full governed speed...
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My late Father-in-law grew up on a farm near Meridian, Idaho; he told of a neighbor's John Deere A that couldn't handle a certain blower so his Dad put their new Allis CA on it which handled it just fine. I have no clue what size the blower was.
I own a hay/grain elevator that we use for hay bales and firewood.
Absolutely no corn grown outside of a small garden here in northern Idaho, growing season is much too short.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 12:28pm
i've got a couple of them, a Stanhoist and another i'm not sure what brand.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 6:57am
Firewood in Idaho
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Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2023 at 7:58pm
Dad had a older Kewanee that was too narrow to put hay in the barn. He wound up with a single chain Case elevator. It worked well to put small bales in the barn. It also was driven by a 10 HP gas engine. It worked well because the north farm was 5 miles north of home. There were 2 barns, an old house and a couple of sheds that we filled with hay. A 5 gallon can of gas left in 1 of the barns would last most of 5he summer. Unfortunately both are gone now. They were stolen when all the rest of dads machinery was stolen after he passed away.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2023 at 6:03am
That theft issue has become HUGE issue around the state of MO. Tweakers stealing for scrap metals, antique 'Foragers' walking onto VISIBLY utilized private property cutting locks or fence or displacing gates and gap fence 'Claiming' as Abandoned when obviously not. Grab anything of value they can find and trash perfectly good and being used materials the owners had stored in the process. Happens every time warm spells hit across five counties close to here.
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Posted By: Wayne180d
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2023 at 10:25pm
We had a Kewaunee would take corn as fst as you could unload. Another farm had a John Deere Biggest piece of crap a guy could own.. They had added an extra 20 feet on it to make it work in this crib had to use a 3/4 dowel rod as a shear pin so you didn't tear it up. More than one ear of corn to a flight or half a cup of beans it would shear. Couldn't have been happier when the landlord let us haul everything to town
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 8:55am
Something obviously wrong with that Deere. I mean, it’s a pretty simple concept machine. Ours was a long one and worked fine. If you were fast, and grandpa wasn’t around, you could get 17 bales on it, no room for any more! Corn heaped as deep as the trough. The only thing wrong with ours was it needed a new sprocket on the drive, the teeth were about worn off, couldn’t do the 17 bales anymore or the chain would jump the sprocket teeth. The only reason we quit using it was the cables broke and it crashed down and screwed the transport up.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 10:01am
I have no idea what brand ours is that is in my photo above, it will barely pull three hay bales because it has a small motor and the belt isn't very tight; I figure that is a good safety system so no need to 'improve' it. Besides, I am to old to keep up with more than that nowadays
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 1:56pm
A neighbor had a John Deere. They had to put bales on edge because it was too narrow to put them on flat.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 4:17pm
WF owner wrote:
A neighbor had a John Deere. They had to put bales on edge because it was too narrow to put them on flat. | Yep. Same thing with my 2 New Ideas I’ve had. No big deal. I’ve done it that way for 50 years now, to some extent. I’d have a hard time laying one on the strings!
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Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 5:26pm
I grew up with one of those elevators you mentioned. We used it in the summer to get hay to the hay mow and in the winter to get the ear corn into the wooden corn crib. I think it had a briggs and stratton engine on it. The brand was "Universal". It sat outside all the time. We used a bushel basket to cover the engine. It came with montgomery ward rubber tires on it. When the tires blew out and we went to big bales and shell corn. It was sold it to an old iron dealer for little or nothing.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2023 at 5:47pm
Our old Deere has been used as a grain trough for the last couple decades. Not much left of it anymore.
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