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victoryallis 
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Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 10:56pm |
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For the folks that kept upgrading tractors after Allis's demise what brand did you go to? Curious what if any trends appear. Sorta thinking going green for my next big tractor(325 hp plus).
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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cwhit
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Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 11:08pm |
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We went blue. The New Holland logos don,t seem to offend my orange bloodline. Green would.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 12:16am |
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a lot of red has been bought, and a lot of kabotas
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victoryallis
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 3:16am |
 cwhit wrote:
We went blue. The New Holland logos don,t seem to offend my orange bloodline. Green would. |
The Genesis line hasn't thrilled me. Family member has a NH 8870 I almost feel it's a step back from the 8030. Neighbor has a Deere 7400 that reminds me a lot of the 8000 series. Seems like someone commented on here a bunch of Allis engineers went to Deere in the end.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Calvin Schmidt
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:10am |
Green here. Good strong dealers not far away. I know some went red. Others stayed true if they could skip the puke green area. We don't have strong AGCO dealers close by. My main cab tractor has been green for 35 years. Currently a 7820 IVT. Still love the old West Allis tractors up to the 220's.
Edited by Calvin Schmidt - 17 Jun 2017 at 5:11am
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CrestonM
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:01am |
My grandpa has a Deere 7800, and like was stated, the similarities between it and a Allis 8000 series (At least styling and cab interior) are uncanny. It's a very good tractor and I like it quite a bit. Here's a photo comparison I put together using 2 photos I found online. It was certainly styled after Allis, considering all they had before were those "Iron Horses" with those crazy bubble cabs. I don't care for those at all, personally, but I liked the Deere 7000 series way before I made the Allis connection.
And yes, many Allis engineers went to Deere after Allis' demise.
Edited by CrestonM - 17 Jun 2017 at 8:07am
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:17am |
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I see a lot of guys in Warren county went Green.
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Dan Hauter
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:42am |
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We lost another AGCO dealer. Prairie land Power in Jerseyville, IL sold out June 10. Next closest AGCO dealer is at least an hour & a half away. Our newest tractor is a New Holland.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:27am |
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Guys who were red still are.Guys who were orange and silver are all greene. There was a bunch of Gleaners in this area.I can think of 4 counting me now.
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DennisA (IL)
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:52am |
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In our area there are 2 Agco, 1 New Holland, 1 Kabota , 2 John Deere and 2 Case dealerships.
The list below is from greatest to least number of brand equipment.
John Deere ( about a 50% mix of old and new)
Case IH (about 95% newer)
Agco
New Holland
Kabota
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kinghunter
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:04am |
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Stayed with agco. But my father went green
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acd21man
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:03pm |
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My great grandpa bought a 8n new in 1951 we still have it and my other great grandfather bought a wd new in maybe 1949 and later bought a d14 in 59 and they still have it. And then my uncle bought a 1967 d17 gas ( 3pt which was unheard of around here ) then sold the 17 in about 73 to my pa. And my uncle bought a new 200.
The ac dealer here wasn't right in the head lol he had weird behavior and had a hard time selling anything and was just rude. I think a storm blew the shop roof off in 85 and they never fixed it. And he just shut down. I remember sneaking back there and looking at the tractors that had set out for 30 years and everything growed up around them d17s 15s14s with hardly any hours like 1400 and 2200 on them but he wouldn't even talk about selling them. Then the city made him clean everything up.
Our Deere dealer went out a few months ago I think he was the last or maybe just one of the last who wasn't with tri green in tn. My county is big in nursery and a lot of small kobotas and deeres have been sold. But now kabota has been selling more new big tractors then anyone else around. I think it has to do with that 84 months interest free.
But any one who isn't a hobby farmer has green red and some blue.
We run 4430s and 4020 and d17. Daily.
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wheatbreeder
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:35pm |
still orange da r40, 8050,aa6690.170,175.5050
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DMiller
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:56pm |
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Hate to say it but will probably step up to Red or Green here as they are the closest dealers. One less than 30 miles south and one just at 10 to the west. Next NH dealer is just at 30 miles of rough road west. After that is Jeff City MO and three other dealers. Cannot bring myself to own a Kubota or Mahindra or any other derivative and yes I know the remaining majority are built overseas and final assembled here. Already own a Green Compact Tractor/Mower a 2305 HST Deere, actually the best mower I have had and has Cat 1 three point.
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AC720Man
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 3:40pm |
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A few neighbors have green, lots of NH as dealer is 7 miles away, he was our AC dealer and had to make a choice. Louderback still services lots of AC's as there are many still in use as with us on dad's farm. We will always farm AC until parts are not available. Our county and surrounding counties has lots of AC's as there were 6 dealers in a 75 mile radius. Our Agco dealer is 45 minutes away. The next county over, Rockingham county, is the largest county in the state has lots of Massey's, then Deere, Fenttz(sp). Lots of dairy and poultry farms. Big Masseys rule there, and the Fendt. Deere also does well. Kubota does well in compact as well as Mahindra and NH.
As for me I upgraded to a 1968 Series II 190 XTD, don't laugh, none of that computer crap to go bad, just simple and reliable horse power.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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shameless dude
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:37pm |
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neighbor back in the 70's was green, went to orange and stayed that way into agco, stayed with agco and now I see a new challenger and a new gleaner in thru the shed door! they also bought their own agco 4x4 high boy field sprayer. they still have lots of agco tractors and equipment. I have purchased a few AC items from them thru the years. all have the best of care. and do keep everything inside when not in use.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:41pm |
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i'll stay with AC for as long as i'm alive. even oif I sell everything, i'll keep my 180 and my 7010. I still enjoy driving them and working them. the old lady.....oooops....I mean the loving wife asked what if we move to town, where would I put the tractors? told her i'd hafta have a big garage there, or her burb may hafta sits outside....she didn't like that answer!
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shameless dude
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:50pm |
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another thing....I've been seeing a lot more Fendt tractors going past my place this year. and been seeing more of them in my travels around too. I've never sat in one nor drove one, but they do look tough!
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 6:22pm |
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I am not sure what direction I'll head. I think that in the smaller sized tractors, I'd go with McCormick. A buddy of mine sells them. As far as a bigger articulated four wheel drive goes, I am thinking blue, because that's my closest good dealer. Darrel
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JC-WI
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 6:45pm |
These foriegn Fendt things?  nuthin like getting home in a hurry...  think this one should have stayed in the shed for awhile longer...  Here's another...  OOOPS!! Wrong breed... New tractors and such is not going to happen for some. An I don't plan on computerized crap on my equipment breaking down in my life time...
Edited by JC(WI) - 17 Jun 2017 at 6:57pm
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caledonian
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 7:36pm |
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If you buy a new tractor are the girls included ? Kept the AC's running & went to Agco-Allis and Massey.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:36pm |
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Dad says an auction then FULL-TIME retirement. Not looking forward to that day, I think I might break down and cry watching the F2 and 190xt going out the drive
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AC720Man
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:10pm |
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The Fendt tractors are super nice. Cadillac's of tractors. Agco owned I believe, but very pricey. Many farmers that have multiple farms or lease land 30 or more miles away buy these because of their 45 mph top speed. I would not have believed until I got beside one on hwy 33. Pulling a big liquid tank spreader and the pump elevator behind that. They are built well and in my opinion very nice looking. Front tool mounts allow multiple types of implements. I've seen triple disc bine on one. Very impressive swath of hay cutting. Gps and all kinds of features. Cab is laid out very nice. I'm sure the other brands offer those features as well. But, if it was me it would probably be a Massey. They have survived the doom of other brands so they must be pretty good machines. And its an Agco product. Staying loyal even thou they betrayed us all.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:40pm |
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FREEDGUY, why don't ya take over the farm? Our dad finally let his 3 boys do so this year and we are having a blast. Cleaning up fence rows, building and repairing fence. Seeded 2 fields of orchard grass, cleaning up around the farm by trim mowing. Making decisions on future field leasing, crop management. As dad got older he wanted to do less, cut way back on lease land. Understandable for sure. But the boys always wanted to continue to farm, and now we have his blessing. I think it makes him proud Watching the 3 of us work, he sees us taking pride in what we are doing. Taking care of his equipment like he always did. He is 87 and up until this year still ran the 6060 as we road the wagons putting up square bales. Even caught him starting before I got home from work last year. He had hooked all the equipment up, and had loaded 30 bales before I got there at 330. He would allow the baler to push 3 bales on the wagon, stop the tractor, crawl up ont he wagon, stack them, and then back on the tractor to get 3 more pushed up on the wagon....he was 86!!! I was so mad! Scared the heck out of me. But he loves it that much and now I totally understand where us 3 boys get our love of farming from.
We all have full time jobs and can't always work together, but we get it done. Happy Fathers Day dad, for giving me the greatest way to grow up.....farming.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:00pm |
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If I had to move on to a new tractor (which I don't foresee anytime soon) it would be a Massey. My local dealer sells both NH and MF. His opinion is the MF is the better built of the two. Rarely do I see MF getting worked on in his shop, but always loaded with blue tractors. His top mechanic loves using profanity while working on them.
No offense to the guys that have or would go green, I just can't go green.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 6:28am |
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Well it started out with us that we didnt switch to any other brand till 1994 when we bought a new holland 8870 but then after that we bought another 8070 and still had a 220 190XT and 2 7045s but slowly went to the genesis tractors and now to versatile tractors but the only allis tractors on our farm are a 7045 PS a 190XT, 180, and me and my brothers WD pretty sad when our 8070 left it was a beautiful tractor need to buy it back someday but its a long haul to kansas lol
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Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:05am |
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Waaaay back when, we went red because of the dealership.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:51am |
shameless dude wrote:
another thing....I've been seeing a lot more Fendt tractors going past my place this year. and been seeing more of them in my travels around too. I've never sat in one nor drove one, but they do look tough! |
Fendts ride like a Rolls Royce and perform like a Ferrari. For the next tractor I hope to stay low electronics and under $45,000 Fendt doesn't allow either. If I could get by with less hp I would get a Agco Allis but labor is tight I don't want to get a smaller finisher. If I knew parts wouldn't be an issue I would look into the 4W-305 in the classifieds Dale seems like a nice guy. CIH orphaned the 9XX0 articulated tractors parts wise so for a $45,000 325 hp tractor that leaves Deere.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 3:27pm |
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Grew up using AC and a couple Olivers,still use several AC,several Olivers and whatever I can find at a good deal which includes David Brown,Pasquali,Long,Iseki,MF,Yanmar,UTB,IH.
Every brand has its good and not so good features
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