What next after Allis
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Topic: What next after Allis
Posted By: victoryallis
Subject: What next after Allis
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 10:56pm
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For the folks that kept upgrading tractors after Allis's demise what brand did you go to? Curious what if any trends appear. Sorta thinking going green for my next big tractor(325 hp plus). ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
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Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 11:08pm
| We went blue. The New Holland logos don,t seem to offend my orange bloodline. Green would. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 12:16am
| a lot of red has been bought, and a lot of kabotas |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 3:16am
The Genesis line hasn't thrilled me. Family member has a NH 8870 I almost feel it's a step back from the 8030. Neighbor has a Deere 7400 that reminds me a lot of the 8000 series. Seems like someone commented on here a bunch of Allis engineers went to Deere in the end. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
cwhit wrote:Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:10am
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Green here. Good strong dealers not far away. I know some went red. Others stayed true if they could skip the puke green area. We don't have strong AGCO dealers close by. My main cab tractor has been green for 35 years. Currently a 7820 IVT. Still love the old West Allis tractors up to the 220's.
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:01am
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My grandpa has a Deere 7800, and like was stated, the similarities between it and a Allis 8000 series (At least styling and cab interior) are uncanny. It's a very good tractor and I like it quite a bit. Here's a photo comparison I put together using 2 photos I found online. It was certainly styled after Allis, considering all they had before were those "Iron Horses" with those crazy bubble cabs. I don't care for those at all, personally, but I liked the Deere 7000 series way before I made the Allis connection. And yes, many Allis engineers went to Deere after Allis' demise.  |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:17am
| I see a lot of guys in Warren county went Green. |
Posted By: Dan Hauter
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:42am
| We lost another AGCO dealer. Prairie land Power in Jerseyville, IL sold out June 10. Next closest AGCO dealer is at least an hour & a half away. Our newest tractor is a New Holland. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:27am
| Guys who were red still are.Guys who were orange and silver are all greene. There was a bunch of Gleaners in this area.I can think of 4 counting me now. |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:52am
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In our area there are 2 Agco, 1 New Holland, 1 Kabota , 2 John Deere and 2 Case dealerships. The list below is from greatest to least number of brand equipment. John Deere ( about a 50% mix of old and new) Case IH (about 95% newer) Agco New Holland Kabota ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: kinghunter
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:04am
| Stayed with agco. But my father went green |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:03pm
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My great grandpa bought a 8n new in 1951 we still have it and my other great grandfather bought a wd new in maybe 1949 and later bought a d14 in 59 and they still have it. And then my uncle bought a 1967 d17 gas ( 3pt which was unheard of around here ) then sold the 17 in about 73 to my pa. And my uncle bought a new 200. The ac dealer here wasn't right in the head lol he had weird behavior and had a hard time selling anything and was just rude. I think a storm blew the shop roof off in 85 and they never fixed it. And he just shut down. I remember sneaking back there and looking at the tractors that had set out for 30 years and everything growed up around them d17s 15s14s with hardly any hours like 1400 and 2200 on them but he wouldn't even talk about selling them. Then the city made him clean everything up. Our Deere dealer went out a few months ago I think he was the last or maybe just one of the last who wasn't with tri green in tn. My county is big in nursery and a lot of small kobotas and deeres have been sold. But now kabota has been selling more new big tractors then anyone else around. I think it has to do with that 84 months interest free. But any one who isn't a hobby farmer has green red and some blue. We run 4430s and 4020 and d17. Daily. ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: wheatbreeder
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:35pm
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still orange da r40, 8050,aa6690.170,175.5050 ------------- Farm stuff 8050,6690,175,F2,5050,WD |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 2:56pm
| Hate to say it but will probably step up to Red or Green here as they are the closest dealers. One less than 30 miles south and one just at 10 to the west. Next NH dealer is just at 30 miles of rough road west. After that is Jeff City MO and three other dealers. Cannot bring myself to own a Kubota or Mahindra or any other derivative and yes I know the remaining majority are built overseas and final assembled here. Already own a Green Compact Tractor/Mower a 2305 HST Deere, actually the best mower I have had and has Cat 1 three point. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 3:40pm
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A few neighbors have green, lots of NH as dealer is 7 miles away, he was our AC dealer and had to make a choice. Louderback still services lots of AC's as there are many still in use as with us on dad's farm. We will always farm AC until parts are not available. Our county and surrounding counties has lots of AC's as there were 6 dealers in a 75 mile radius. Our Agco dealer is 45 minutes away. The next county over, Rockingham county, is the largest county in the state has lots of Massey's, then Deere, Fenttz(sp). Lots of dairy and poultry farms. Big Masseys rule there, and the Fendt. Deere also does well. Kubota does well in compact as well as Mahindra and NH. As for me I upgraded to a 1968 Series II 190 XTD, don't laugh, none of that computer crap to go bad, just simple and reliable horse power. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:37pm
| neighbor back in the 70's was green, went to orange and stayed that way into agco, stayed with agco and now I see a new challenger and a new gleaner in thru the shed door! they also bought their own agco 4x4 high boy field sprayer. they still have lots of agco tractors and equipment. I have purchased a few AC items from them thru the years. all have the best of care. and do keep everything inside when not in use. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:41pm
| i'll stay with AC for as long as i'm alive. even oif I sell everything, i'll keep my 180 and my 7010. I still enjoy driving them and working them. the old lady.....oooops....I mean the loving wife asked what if we move to town, where would I put the tractors? told her i'd hafta have a big garage there, or her burb may hafta sits outside....she didn't like that answer! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 5:50pm
| another thing....I've been seeing a lot more Fendt tractors going past my place this year. and been seeing more of them in my travels around too. I've never sat in one nor drove one, but they do look tough! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 6:22pm
| I am not sure what direction I'll head. I think that in the smaller sized tractors, I'd go with McCormick. A buddy of mine sells them. As far as a bigger articulated four wheel drive goes, I am thinking blue, because that's my closest good dealer. Darrel |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 6:45pm
These foriegn Fendt things? nuthin like getting home in a hurry...  think this one should have stayed in the shed for awhile longer...  Here's another...  OOOPS!! Wrong breed... New tractors and such is not going to happen for some. An I don't plan on computerized crap on my equipment breaking down in my life time... ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 7:36pm
| If you buy a new tractor are the girls included ? Kept the AC's running & went to Agco-Allis and Massey. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 8:36pm
| Dad says an auction then FULL-TIME retirement. Not looking forward to that day, I think I might break down and cry watching the F2 and 190xt going out the drive |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:10pm
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The Fendt tractors are super nice. Cadillac's of tractors. Agco owned I believe, but very pricey. Many farmers that have multiple farms or lease land 30 or more miles away buy these because of their 45 mph top speed. I would not have believed until I got beside one on hwy 33. Pulling a big liquid tank spreader and the pump elevator behind that. They are built well and in my opinion very nice looking. Front tool mounts allow multiple types of implements. I've seen triple disc bine on one. Very impressive swath of hay cutting. Gps and all kinds of features. Cab is laid out very nice. I'm sure the other brands offer those features as well. But, if it was me it would probably be a Massey. They have survived the doom of other brands so they must be pretty good machines. And its an Agco product. Staying loyal even thou they betrayed us all. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 9:40pm
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FREEDGUY, why don't ya take over the farm? Our dad finally let his 3 boys do so this year and we are having a blast. Cleaning up fence rows, building and repairing fence. Seeded 2 fields of orchard grass, cleaning up around the farm by trim mowing. Making decisions on future field leasing, crop management. As dad got older he wanted to do less, cut way back on lease land. Understandable for sure. But the boys always wanted to continue to farm, and now we have his blessing. I think it makes him proud Watching the 3 of us work, he sees us taking pride in what we are doing. Taking care of his equipment like he always did. He is 87 and up until this year still ran the 6060 as we road the wagons putting up square bales. Even caught him starting before I got home from work last year. He had hooked all the equipment up, and had loaded 30 bales before I got there at 330. He would allow the baler to push 3 bales on the wagon, stop the tractor, crawl up ont he wagon, stack them, and then back on the tractor to get 3 more pushed up on the wagon....he was 86!!! I was so mad! Scared the heck out of me. But he loves it that much and now I totally understand where us 3 boys get our love of farming from. We all have full time jobs and can't always work together, but we get it done. Happy Fathers Day dad, for giving me the greatest way to grow up.....farming. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2017 at 10:00pm
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If I had to move on to a new tractor (which I don't foresee anytime soon) it would be a Massey. My local dealer sells both NH and MF. His opinion is the MF is the better built of the two. Rarely do I see MF getting worked on in his shop, but always loaded with blue tractors. His top mechanic loves using profanity while working on them. No offense to the guys that have or would go green, I just can't go green. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: tractormanpj
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 6:28am
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Well it started out with us that we didnt switch to any other brand till 1994 when we bought a new holland 8870 but then after that we bought another 8070 and still had a 220 190XT and 2 7045s but slowly went to the genesis tractors and now to versatile tractors but the only allis tractors on our farm are a 7045 PS a 190XT, 180, and me and my brothers WD pretty sad when our 8070 left it was a beautiful tractor need to buy it back someday but its a long haul to kansas lol ------------- WD 180 190XT 7045 Gleaner S98 |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:05am
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Waaaay back when, we went red because of the dealership. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:51am
Fendts ride like a Rolls Royce and perform like a Ferrari. For the next tractor I hope to stay low electronics and under $45,000 Fendt doesn't allow either. If I could get by with less hp I would get a Agco Allis but labor is tight I don't want to get a smaller finisher. If I knew parts wouldn't be an issue I would look into the 4W-305 in the classifieds Dale seems like a nice guy. CIH orphaned the 9XX0 articulated tractors parts wise so for a $45,000 325 hp tractor that leaves Deere. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 3:07pm
| Mother Deere |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 3:27pm
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Grew up using AC and a couple Olivers,still use several AC,several Olivers and whatever I can find at a good deal which includes David Brown,Pasquali,Long,Iseki,MF,Yanmar,UTB,IH. Every brand has its good and not so good features |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 6:25pm
| Massey is using some Fendt technology now. |
Posted By: JarrodACFan
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 7:57pm
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We stayed with Allis into the AGCO years, and our working tractors are AGCO now. I think that we will most likely stay with an AGCO brand, at least for a while. Our dealer is Massey and New Holland, and I can't say that I'm a huge fan of the larger NH's. I think the Massey's are quite a bit nicer, especially with the CVT transmission. That being said, both of our "utility" tractors are New Holland. I like the sub-100 hp tractors better from New Holland than I do Massey. For combines, we still have Gleaner, and I think they would really have to mess them up bad for us to switch. I like them. ------------- 1956 WD45 Narrow Front Factory Power Steering, 1953 WD Wide Front Allis Express in Muncie, IN |
Posted By: BillinAlberta
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 8:10pm
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Massey for me. They are decent machines and way less costly than Fendt. The dealer is what makes all the difference in the world and our local AGCO dealer is the best.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 9:25pm
| AC720, it's all about the Benjamines |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 9:43pm
That sounds like what my 89 year old grandpa would do! He has a passion for agriculture, and has passed that on to me. Although, he readily admits things are changing way beyond what he ever thought they would. It's not Deere 4020's and Gleaner CII's anymore...
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 9:45pm
Nice accurate description of Fendts! Are parts really that hard to get for the Allis 4 wheel drives? I wouldn't know.
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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2017 at 10:46pm
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For 45K, you can get an Agcostar or a 9000 series Versatile. I know you dont get along with Buhler short lines, but Versatile is their flagship line that gets the most attention, and many dealers bridge any gap. There is so many things that can and do fail on green that are not even there on a Agcostar or a Versatile, IMO your cost of ownership would be terribly high in the Deere. I would say crawl around them all, and see what you like and dont like. Driveline size, axle size, ease of service, cab, etc. As far as CIH, all I was aware that was orphaned was the manual transmissions, the Fujitech Powershift still has good coverage. To get back to your original question, many Allis guys around here usually turn into a farm of all colors, the one has a New Holland Versatile, a New Holland Steiger (TJ series) a 8000 series Track JD (due to cost, they have crap resale) and still runs Gleaner. Many are turning to Challenger, which IMO is the new Allis. Great value, class leading features, great performance, etc. The E series Challengers (85 and 95E, etc) are very well liked and are reliable. When a Deere is wore out at 10,000 hours a Challenger is still rolling. They are a 30,000 hour capable tractor, according to our friend in California who is a New Holland dealer. He thinks highly of the Genesis, and all generations of versatile, and all 2-135/ 2-155 and newer Whites, they are all 30,000 hour tractors as well. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 9:19am
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Call it quits-retire or die!! Gonna hang in there as long as I can. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 9:24pm
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GM guy, I haven't ruled out a 9680 one bit. It does meet a few of my requirements, 855 cummins, big cab, I bet it has good visibility, simple, no electronic extra bs, as long as I shop some price should meet my target. My go to Agco dealer also sells NH I plan to question my parts guy good about availability. They might sorta be the Gleaner of the articulated tractor world. My top two choices are a Ford 9680 or Deere 8960. Simple is good ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: 1terrygladys
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 10:22pm
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Most everyone around our area went Deere, mainly because of the nearby family-owned dealer. But if I were to buy a new tractor now, don't know what it would be. Mother Deere has forced the local dealers to merge into mega-dealers with 15-20 locations. I never Consequently, we lost our local dealer - they still sell the green stuff, but all authority is miles and counties away. I never did like doing business with Walmart. ... Closest Agco dealer is 50 some miles away. ------------- WD-45, WD, Unstyled WC, SC Disk, JD 4430D, JD 4010D, JD B, Iowa pastor & disciple of Jesus Christ |
Posted By: matador
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2017 at 10:59pm
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My father switched to Massey and White after going Allis (Mostly Massey). That was before he downsized and we moved out here. Then, he brought his old Deere 4520 with him, which was replaced with an early White 2-105. He ran Massey combines when he switched to self propelled, but ran All Crops before that. He ran a Deere 6600 out here, but when it wore out, that was replaced with an F2. So, we replaced orange with.... grey.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 12:26am
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Good to see a post from you matador, how are things in Big Wonderful Wyoming? The family JD dealer got bought out by a bigger family JD dealer, 4 Rivers which I hear also has dealerships back east somewhere, owned by the former Colo Governor's family, Romer's As for me, at 68, I doubt I'll be buying anything new but probably would go for a Kubota as that is the closest dealer. I see a few big Masseys around here and a neighbor leased a 200 hp Challenger again this year. Those 500 hp straight frame Challengers are Fendts. Still some IH tractors around but not many newer ones, not many NH either, quite a few older Fords still working, and a few Olivers and Whites. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2017 at 10:36pm
Those 9000 series seem to go and go, that is for sure. They also had a heck of a production run too, so plenty should be out there. If you come across a smaller model with a L10 or M11, I wouldnt rule it out, they are torquey efficient engines. We dont have any in tractors, but do in trucks and like them alot. A friend has a pair of Designation 6 machines with the L10, and cant get over how easy they are on fuel. On the 8960, those had the big pivot bearing on the rear half of the articulation joint that if it goes it is not cheap. I know the 9000 series had that Lord Coupler, IDK about the 8960. Tiny cab is not grandkid friendly. Maybe just a tick better than the 7580 for room though... :) ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |