Dumb 185 question, Hello! and some pics

Hey all, long time lurker here finally registered.. I hope all had a awesome Holiday.

Edited by trucker185 - 31 Dec 2015 at 1:21pm

Thanks!! Yup, I have one on its way!

 

Edited by TREVMAN - 29 Dec 2015 at 11:16pm

I agree with Mack. I would just add that you need to check the oils level in the power direct compartment. The one thing which will wipe out your clutch pack is running it dry.

I also agree with Mack. I used to plow with a D-17 with 3 slatted 14's. I plowed in 3rd gear wide open. I would start out in low range with the the plows dropped and shift quickly to high range and let her bark. I could have shifted to high range slower but I would have probably gotten a bloody nose from the steering wheel.Dad always told me to start in low range and shift to high so give the 17 a little "breather" on both ends of the field. That was one plowing outfit that I spent many hours on when I was a kid. Enjoy your 185, it's a great tractor.

Edited by sparky - 29 Dec 2015 at 7:10am

 

Edited by TREVMAN - 29 Dec 2015 at 11:16pm

The PD is more durable than the foot clutch. I'd personally rather start with the foot clutch engaged(power being transferred through it), and pull the PD into low, then throw it into high. We've baled probably 10000 round bales with it like this, as well as everything we do with it, and the PD as held up well. If you attempted to do that with the dry foot clutch(assuming you had live PTO), you'd have replaced it 2 or 3 times already. Not that they're a weak clutch, but it's a dry clutch on an 85 hp tractor.

TREVMAN wrote: It CAN be shifted from low up to high, BUT, if you want the Power Director and tranny to last, I would not upshift under any heavy load, tillage etc. Its not a TRUE powershift. For instance I would not shift up after turning up hill pulling a chisel plow or disc. It will do it for a while and then bang. It was more for stopping while doing pto work, haying, baling, windrowing. We used to shift back from high while doing tillage, but not up. As well and for example, would start out in road gear in low and carefully engage high for highest speed. Treated in this way these tractors lasted, treated rough they did not, Trev.

Sorry, el deleto completed, Trev.

You aren't totally wrong Trevman. At least in what I read as Joe quoted you. It's just the AC's design was so well built that the PD could take the abuse with ease. In mechanics school, the instructor would say the same as you as far as shifting up or down. We were taught to shift up under light loads only and down shift under load but he also said a hard shift is better than a slipping shift especially under load. Seems Allis could take about any type of shifting and the sales brochures I believe would say to slowly engage the PD to start a heavy load. The mechanics instructor was a real knowledgeable guy but he knew IH best and yes with IH, you gotta baby them.

he's watching you from above and smiling!

Thanks Joe. I think maybe in the lower horsepower tractors its not as big of a deal. After noticing on the site here that the general concensus is that most 190xt tractors left the factory with a lot more than 93 pto, maybe more like a 100 or even 110 from factory, that's where I come in with being careful. My Dads 190xt was bought new in 1966, it was a very spunky tractor. Shifted from low to high under load it seemed like the thing jumped about 6 inches off the ground! That cant be good. So my Dad taught us that low to high under load was not happening under threat of what would be considered today as extremely politically incorrect actions...It was never altered in any way for more power. We also had a 200, it too seemed to be quite healthy, never altered (we had a 7040PS and two 7020PS for comparison). None of the tractors ever had PD, trans or rearend issues. My Dads cousin bought a 190xt new as well in 1967 I think, after about 3 years his tractor was always apart. He decided Allis was no good and got rid of it. Coincidence, I don't think so. He was the sort of guy that could wreck a 100 pound anvil with a rubber hammer.
All I was trying to say to the OP here is take it easy, the tractor will treat a good owner good. The 185 was a great machine, I especially liked it for swathing, but its also 40 years old. I hope the OP gets great service out of his new to him Allis tractors and I would love to see pictures, Trev.

Impressive, you're no stranger to Allis it looks. What 7000 series is that?

I saw the other orange in the mix too. Second best

TREVMAN wrote: Wow, Wow, Wow. And a gleaner lurking somewhere too? Nice, Trev.