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FREEDGUY 
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Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 6:35pm |
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Instead of polluting the "180" post, which is a VERY good post, why did ALLIS put out the '19 with the hydraulic controls on the L/H fender?? Were there other "colors" of tractors of that ERA doing something so BASS ACWARD ??
Edited by FREEDGUY - 05 Sep 2020 at 6:36pm
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DrAllis
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Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 7:08pm |
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There is only one reason: you had to use the hand clutch to stop tractor movement, so your left hand operated the non-live hydraulic system.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 7:43pm |
But the WD through the pre series 4 d series had such a logical place on the steering column (even the TB lever on our '17) that I am/was surprised that they placed the controls so far back and low on the left . Yes, we had the "pleasure  " of owning/running one. Now that I think about it, where was the TB adjustment on a WD? I know it had it, but I was only 6 when it got traded in on a D15
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Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 8:10pm |
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Ive never really operated a 19, but bought a few for parts and seeing how they were put together- and -yeah- not one of AC enginerings greatest feats,, rather dumb , in my opinion
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Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 9:09pm |
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In my honest opinion really don’t mind them. I’ll admit it takes a few times on the old girl to get use to them. But like anything really the more I’ve used her the more it’s just there. I’ll admit the D17 controls are easier right there at steering wheel. But back in the mid 60s with a new machine and more hydraulic outlets did anybody really notice.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 11:08pm |
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I always liked my D19 but the hydraulics were slow. It is a comfortable quiet tractor for me.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 8:59am |
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D19 was my very first allis tractor. Had almost 30 years now. Absolutely nothing wrong with where the hydraulic controls are. Like the good doctor says; use your right hand for the PD, and left for the hydraulics. Darrel
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 9:09am |
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Probably because that's where the D17, D15 had its hydraulic valve
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 9:18am |
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Just like anything else, you get used to things and go from there. I've had many D19's and used them for logging and they are one hell of a tractor for that job! I like the idea of the fuel pump...you don't have to worry whether or not you're going to make it to the top of the hill, before you run out of gas! LOL! Done that plenty of times with a D17 and, since the D19 made me feel more safe at 8 1/2 wide, I started using it and left the D17 sit...
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 4:10pm |
 darrel in ND wrote:
D19 was my very first allis tractor. Had almost 30 years now. Absolutely nothing wrong with where the hydraulic controls are. Like the good doctor says; use your right hand for the PD, and left for the hydraulics. Darrel |
I'm "almost" afraid to ask, but I will- If your 2 arms are busy with levers, HOW or WHAT are you using to turn the steering wheel  ??
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 4:58pm |
Lonn wrote:
I always liked my D19 but the hydraulics were slow. It is a comfortable quiet tractor for me. |
The D19 we had came fixed for a loader with a front engine driven hydraulic pump a great improvement over a D19 with the regular hydraulics.
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 5:54pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Instead of polluting the "180" post, which is a VERY good post, why did ALLIS put out the '19 with the hydraulic controls on the L/H fender?? Were there other "colors" of tractors of that ERA doing something so BASS ACWARD ??
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The green pop pops had power trol on the left to match the hand clutch on the right. But may be bad example as it is older. But for a kid that turned his first dirt with AC K crawler and a left handed hand clutch and then a Cat D6 and a AC HD 5 all left hand clutches. That JD popper was backwards.
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 6:24pm |
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Ahh yes. The mighty 2-banger and a hydraulic loader !! So, you ram into the pile of manure and pop the hand clutch into neutral. Then, you shift the transmission into neutral. Now, you engage the hand clutch and the Power Trol at the same time to lift the loader. Pop the hand clutch back into neutral and shift the transmission into reverse. Engage the hand clutch to back the tractor up and then disengage it to stop. Shift into forward and once again engage the hand clutch. Get close to the spreader and discover the loader isn't quite high enough. Sift trans into neutral and engage the hand clutch to lift the loader a little more. Anyway, you get it. A scoop shovel was almost as good as a Deere on a loader !!!
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 6:35pm |
I'm "almost" afraid to ask, but I will- If your 2 arms are busy with levers, HOW or WHAT are you using to turn the steering wheel ?? [/QUOTE]
Open you mind to things that are new to you. Say to yourself "some other fool ran this thing so I CAN TOO".
It would take a long time list all the tractors I have driven,most having tracks and hand clutches. But some like the AC 7580 it was just 3 or 4 hours max does it even count. But the jumpiest jerkiest was New Holland TS 45 ???(2013? 45 hp ) with a shift on the go and no clutch. NH called it a inching pedal (every time you let it up you jump a inch). Used in close quarters with people to get run over in the vineyard. I read the book trying to figure it out. I was just to old to try jamming it into gear without pushing the pedal. But somebody must like the things,just not me.
 Yes I ran your story off the tracks,but then again I don't think I did. You have a job to do 99.9 % of the time tractor mussel will save your mussels. Don't over think it just get people and things out of the way and "play with it"you can do it. Well hopefully you have "common sense" and can see a 7580 will never work to pull bin trailers in a vineyard with "normal" 6 to 10 foot row spacing.
Dr Allis I have run a lot of primitive things but thankfully never a popper and a loader. But a dozer blade on a crawler and rear mounted pump is the same difference. I would say what I like about a pop pop  but that would be off topic...............an could get me kicked off for saying nice things about green.
Edited by Ray54 - 06 Sep 2020 at 6:46pm
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 6:48pm |
Ray, point well taken !! You didn't run anything off-the-tracks  ! Thanks for your input !!
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 7:31pm |
DrAllis wrote:
Ahh yes. The mighty 2-banger and a hydraulic loader !! So, you ram into the pile of manure and pop the hand clutch into neutral. Then, you shift the transmission into neutral. Now, you engage the hand clutch and the Power Trol at the same time to lift the loader. Pop the hand clutch back into neutral and shift the transmission into reverse. Engage the hand clutch to back the tractor up and then disengage it to stop. Shift into forward and once again engage the hand clutch. Get close to the spreader and discover the loader isn't quite high enough. Sift trans into neutral and engage the hand clutch to lift the loader a little more. Anyway, you get it. A scoop shovel was almost as good as a Deere on a loader !!! |
You forgot to tell about the new clutch job every few years!
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 7:33pm |
Gary Burnett wrote:
Lonn wrote:
I always liked my D19 but the hydraulics were slow. It is a comfortable quiet tractor for me. |
The D19 we had came fixed for a loader with a front engine driven hydraulic pump a great improvement over a D19 with the regular hydraulics.
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That sure would make the D19 a heap better! Was your D19 equipped with the pump mounted behind the grill screen out of sight?
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 8:02pm |
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I have yet to figure out why all the AC tractors of that era wasn’t like the 190XT? Console Control was as close to perfect as you could get. I love the layout on mine!
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 8:26pm |
Lonn wrote:
Gary Burnett wrote:
Lonn wrote:
I always liked my D19 but the hydraulics were slow. It is a comfortable quiet tractor for me. |
The D19 we had came fixed for a loader with a front engine driven hydraulic pump a great improvement over a D19 with the regular hydraulics.
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That sure would make the D19 a heap better! Was your D19 equipped with the pump mounted behind the grill screen out of sight? |
The pump was behind the grill screen and the steel lines ran down the side of the motor to a block to tap into the regular hydraulic system.Was much faster than the regular hydraulics on a D19 plus it then had live hydraulics that worked with the foot clutch in.
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Posted: 06 Sep 2020 at 8:30pm |
Gary Burnett wrote:
Lonn wrote:
Gary Burnett wrote:
Lonn wrote:
I always liked my D19 but the hydraulics were slow. It is a comfortable quiet tractor for me. |
The D19 we had came fixed for a loader with a front engine driven hydraulic pump a great improvement over a D19 with the regular hydraulics.
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That sure would make the D19 a heap better! Was your D19 equipped with the pump mounted behind the grill screen out of sight? |
The pump was behind the grill screen and the steel lines ran down the side of the motor to a block to tap into the regular hydraulic system.Was much faster than the regular hydraulics on a D19 plus it then had live hydraulics that worked with the foot clutch in.
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That was a much better system. I looked for the components once to change my D19 to that factory set up but never came up with what I needed.
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Posted: 07 Sep 2020 at 5:41pm |
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The first time I tried to stack bales with a farmhand loader was on my brother in laws JD 620. Damn glad it was my only time on that setup.
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