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AJ 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 6:57am |
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I was in a Sams Club the other day and saw a tractor book that I picked up at had to look at. It was a book of all kinds of tractors. There was one tractor that caught my attention. I believe it was a allis b or c with a loader on the back and appeared to go in reverse. Anyone have any ideas on this one? Or maybe it is an over seas tractor. I don't know. Should have taken a picture of it.
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 6:07pm |
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You should have bought it so we could see the pic. I guess I've never seen a B or C reverse loader but it could happen maybe. It could have been a TLB, there was a small # of them built by Tractomotive Company using the B's, would love to have one of those.
Edited by MNLonnie - 14 Dec 2011 at 6:08pm
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Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 6:48pm |
Did it look like this? This is a TLB. 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 9:30pm |
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No but that is a really cool tractor. Are they hard to find? The one I saw was longer in the back.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 9:43pm |
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Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 9:43pm |
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Is that allis?
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 9:44pm |
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I don't see why you couldn't build one. I've seen a reversed C with a Fofklift on it. I'm sure it was shop built somewhere. it was inuse at a Allis dealer many years ago. seemed to be pretty handy moving stuff around in the shop.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 9:50pm |
There was the TLW too, I searched for Allis TLW and found this picture. I think it is Farrell from Utah that owns it. 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 9:54pm |
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They used a WF to build the TLW models.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 10:05pm |
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Well speaking of strange AC's.....on tractordata there is a WS, WK, and S model listed...what were they? They dont include pictures. They also list an L model....never seen any of them.
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1945 WF
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 10:09pm |
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K, L, M and S are all crawlers and the WS and WK are wide gauge versions of them. There was also an L tractor from 1921-1927, less than 2000 made.
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Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 at 10:54pm |
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The way I understand it it's pretty simple to make a tractor run "backwards". All you have to do is flip the ring gear and reinstall it. Of course you'd also have to reverse the operator controls.
I've got several old parts WDs and have considered doing this in the past. Having the drive wheels in the front would be a big improvement over a loader tractor. The only down side is you are pretty much limited to loader work only after the conversion.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 6:44am |
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That WF may have been what I saw. Seems it was smaller "body" though. I will take a picture of it if I can make it back up there soon.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:15am |
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I have seen WD's that were reversed, I have a RC reversed with a forklift mast on it, works great!!
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 7:39am |
 MNLonnie wrote:
K, L, M and S are all crawlers and the WS and WK are wide gauge versions of them. There was also an L tractor from 1921-1927, less than 2000 made. |
Here my L 15-25 Tractor .It is one of three tractor's that had the longfender .The 20-35 Longfender is the only of the 3 with longfender to be called a Longfender tractor ,because of in 1927 AC changed the 20-35 to cut cost and shorten the whole tractor by 18 inches plus shorten the fender ,and that is where the name 20-35 longfender came from .18-30 also has longfenders .
The L 15-25 also did not have a AC engine ,it was a Mid -West engine witch was used in many other tractor besides AC. ofcorse When the later U came out AC had their UM engine.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 4:37pm |
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Nice looking tractor Fred. Definitely a rare one.
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Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 4:47pm |
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m16ty is right. You can take any of the old tractors from the 40s-50-60 era and just put the ring gear on the other side of the pinion inside the differential, and you have changed the direction. Turn the seat around and move the steering wheel..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 8:15pm |
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Does anyone have a TLB that they would want to get rid of. They look really fun to own. Don't have to run or be complete. Just like to have another project I don't need to put in the shop that has no room for anything else.... Man this hobby is fun!!!
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 8:21pm |
AJ, guess it's safe to say that you've got the ole tractor fever! LOL! Darrel
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 8:31pm |
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Thanks. I'm only 25 and I'm loving this.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 9:21pm |
Fred in Pa wrote:
MNLonnie wrote:
K, L, M and S are all crawlers and the WS and WK are wide gauge versions of them. There was also an L tractor from 1921-1927, less than 2000 made. |
Here my L 15-25 Tractor .It is one of three tractor's that had the longfender .The 20-35 Longfender is the only of the 3 with longfender to be called a Longfender tractor ,because of in 1927 AC changed the 20-35 to cut cost and shorten the whole tractor by 18 inches plus shorten the fender ,and that is where the name 20-35 longfender came from .18-30 also has longfenders .
The L 15-25 also did not have a AC engine ,it was a Mid -West engine witch was used in many other tractor besides AC. ofcorse When the later U came out AC had their UM engine.
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Do you have that tractor secured to the trailer by the radiator cap?
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 5:52am |
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M16ty,Yes I DO,LOL ,that was to hold up crank handle so I could get more junk under tractor.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 8:30am |
That radiator sure looks familiar! LOL I think it rode around in the trunk of my car for a day and then ends up straped to a trailer for a ride to PA by way of KC.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 4:21pm |
Here's a reversed WD for sale. It kind of looks like it has a mower on the front of it.........
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ALLIS: B, WC, G, G, D10, D12, D14, D14(NF), D15, D17, D17(NF), D19, D21, D21
MINNEAPOLIS MOLINE: U, U, U(NF), GB
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 5:04pm |
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John ,That was a crazy week .
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 5:18pm |
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I'd like to have that reversed wd with the mower.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 6:17pm |
bincitybandit wrote:
Here's a reversed WD for sale. It kind of looks like it has a mower on the front of it.........
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Wonder what their doing for a gas tank on that ?
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 6:22pm |
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I've seen people ask as much for the single front wheel as he wants for the whole tractor.
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 8:13pm |
...Lonnie, I was just gonna say that! Somebody needs to bring that baby home. Definitely has a rare and cool factor to it, especially with the single front(er, rear?LOL!) wheel on it.
Fred, I somehow knew you would be posting a picture soon when I saw the question asked about a rare older AC. I must be psychic.LOL! Very nice unit, BTW.
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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!
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