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Randy_Larson 
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Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 7:43pm |
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I had received a call tonight, asking about a reversed WD with a hydraulic bucket and loader.
The gentleman is asking..."If Allis-Chalmers ever made such a unit or is this something which someone has modified." He was told A-C made only 16 of them......
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 8:05pm |
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I would say Allis never made them. From 1948-1950 Tractomotive was building reverse loaders on B and WF chassis so I can't believe Allis would have been doing it on their own also. There were tons of reverse loaders built in MN on WC and WD chassis in the 1970's.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 5:22am |
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Allis made a reversed loader, the 451, got a picture of 1 somewhere, in a book. I think it was based on the D-14 or 15...
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 6:05am |
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I don't remember seeing one of those. Must be from the era when they started making I40's and I60's?
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 6:45am |
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I found it, The RL 451 reverse loader was built on a D-15 tractor it had .75 and 1.0 yard buckets available. Unusual third cylinder could tilt the bucket upward to fill it, and 2 conventional cylinders dumped it. Just a photo and caption, on page 263, of swinford's constructon book, in the edition that I have. (It's in the chapter on Henry equipment)
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 4:49pm |
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Sure enough, there it is. Must not have made many of those.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 5:01pm |
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So if it's a WD chassis, it was home made?
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 5:12pm |
My money is on home made if it's a WD chassis.
Not to get off track but when did loader manufacturers like Paulson start showing up? 1950's 1960's
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 7:36pm |
I've posted this picture before, was on YT photo ads as a "TH16". Never found it in any of Swinford's books so it must be someone's "fantasy" build. 
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 7:40pm |
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Wonder what's behind the side covers? Lots of weights probably. The thing is as long as a bus.
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Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 9:02pm |
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Probably a fuel tank back there, looks like a filler neck above the WD decal where the radiator cap would be. The actual radiator cap is above the ER in "CHALMERS". I'll bet there's a hydraulic reservoir and crank driven pump hiding in there too for the loader.
Edited by Bill_MN - 18 Feb 2015 at 9:05pm
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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 22 Feb 2015 at 12:38pm |
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George Nesbitt has a 451 on his website.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 7:12am |
 MNLonnie wrote:
Wonder what's behind the side covers? Lots of weights probably. The thing is as long as a bus. |
The fuel tank, battery, hydraulic pump, reservoir, and weights. That's an extension (note position of radiator and steer tires). They moved it all to that end, to make room for the seating position to be moved ahead of the transmission gearshift lever. Actually a clever setup... they probably flipped the ring gear, reversed the linkages of the brakes and clutch pedal, and used a hydraulic valve on the steering wheel, and hydraulic motor on the pedestal. I like it! 
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Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 9:03am |
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honey- bee turned tractors backwards to biuld forklifts and loaders but i think mostly farmall c
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