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    Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 8:37pm
In the market for a combine. I stopped at the local dealer the other day, they have an R40 and an R50. Price wasn't to bad on either one. I need to run a 4 row wide, (36") corn head and not more than 16' grain head for soybeans. Enlighten me on these two, the good, bad, and the ugly. I don't need it until next fall but don't want to wait until the last minute. If the right machine came along at a good price I would buy tomorrow.
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In their prototype stage, I believe they were referred to as the N-3 and N-4.  They are the same machines except for the final drives/drive wheels, rear axle/rear wheels, grain bin capacity and engine HP.  The R-50 also has the inside of the cage chrome plated for longer life.  R-50 can take a 6-30 CH at 3.0 to 3.5 MPH in 200 bushel corn and when dumping at the fields end can produce 1,000 to 1,200 BPH in the wagon.  R-40 will be a little less production because of less HP and smaller grain tank (150 versus 200 bushels).
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I don't think the tires will go between 4-36" rows.
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I would think it would depend on what it had for tires weather you could do 4 row wide unless you get a deal on a combine then switch tires to fit your needs.
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I think 4-36 is OK, but you must have wheel skirts on the corn head.
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Here's a late model orange stripe R40. I happen to know the owner. Not sure on the shape of the heads but the machine hasn't had many hours put on it since he's owned it. Still gets used a little bit every year. Price is combine only. https://rmn.craigslist.org/grd/d/gleaner-r40/6709278958.html
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i got an R52 with axel extentions and i run a 436 head no problem 24.5 tires
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Thanks for the input and the link. Been running a 6620 sidehill and that pig is wide. The 'partnership' dissolved after harvest, that is why I'm looking for a different machine. Just want to get one bought with enough time to go through it before harvest next year to minimize problems in the field.
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There was a big change in '89 - early ones did not have the reel drive system and had to have a pump on the head -  be careful as heads are hard to come by for early  ones and the later ones will fit- but will have to have the pump / motor and switch to use off a 'donor' head.  Those electric motors for the old heads will likely be froze up a$ well...
I like the 500 heads on these with the raised feather sheets on the LH/RH side.
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Here's a late model orange stripe R40. I happen to know the owner. Not sure on the shape of the heads but the machine hasn't had many hours put on it since he's owned it. Still gets used a little bit every year. Price is combine only. https://rmn.craigslist.org/grd/d/gleaner-r40/6709278958.html
That looks like a fine combine for somebody!! A little to big for our 80 acres. Ryan
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Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Here's a late model orange stripe R40. I happen to know the owner. Not sure on the shape of the heads but the machine hasn't had many hours put on it since he's owned it. Still gets used a little bit every year. Price is combine only. https://rmn.craigslist.org/grd/d/gleaner-r40/6709278958.html
That looks like a fine combine for somebody!! A little to big for our 80 acres. Ryan
Come on Ryan! You get done quicker.Do corn and beans in the same day!!! That's like saying your pickup has too much horsepower.
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The price seems fair for that many hours and years.  Probably do a better job on hillsides then a old hillside machine, and a lot easier to maintain.
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Pretty sure the throat is smaller on R40???
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Pretty sure the R-40 and R-50 are identical in the throat width/size and the whole machine except for final drives/drive wheels, rear axle and rear wheels.
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Neighbor has R40 and claimed throat was smaller, me dont know!
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It is smaller !!.....than an N-5/6/7...….R-5/6/7....R-60/70.....R-62/72.....R-65/75.   The R-40/50/42/52 are the smallest at about 28 inches versus 38 inches for the big frame machines.
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AHA!!! He was correct good neighbor so I really wanted to believe him!
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That is the first orange stripe R40 I have ever seen. I have seen plenty of the bigger ones. I remember when Deutz Allis/Gleaner was patting itself on the back for doing away with the green stripe and going orange again. Ryan

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Not sure on frame width on a 4-36 head but it should work with a R50 and 30.5-32 tires without having any deflectors but im not 100$% positive. I do know you can run a 4-38 without deflectors since thats what we had on our R50 since it was new. Either a R40 or 50 are very, very easy to work on and the capacity in corn is just incredible. Really they were an engineering marvel for what they could do with the size of rotor and throat they had.
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Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

That is the first orange stripe R40 I have ever seen. I have seen plenty of the bigger ones. I remember when Deutz Allis/Gleaner was patting itself on the back for doing away with the green stripe and going orange again. Ryan

I don't think that was Deutz-Allis, but the Allis-Gleaner company.
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Originally posted by bigal121892 bigal121892 wrote:

Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

That is the first orange stripe R40 I have ever seen. I have seen plenty of the bigger ones. I remember when Deutz Allis/Gleaner was patting itself on the back for doing away with the green stripe and going orange again. Ryan


I don't think that was Deutz-Allis, but the Allis-Gleaner company.
You are probably right. It was hard to keep track of ownership back in those days. As much as I dislike John Deere they are not hard to track their history, only their thousands of different models each year!!! Ryan
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I don't disbelieve anything here; i just have a question because keeping track of gleaner combine numbers can be challenging!    you stated you think proto numbers were N3-4.  where does the R4 and R5 series combines fit into the equation?
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Never was an R-4.   Prototype years were under the ownership of Allis-Chalmers and they intended on two chassis of combines....wide body (N-6/N-7) and a narrow body (N-4/N-5).  When the N-6/N-7 came out (1978/79), there were many Customers who wanted a smaller "class 5" machine closer to the size of a TR70 New Holland, IH 1440/1460.  Apparently the N-4/N-5 machine was no where near ready to go if it even existed at that time. So, the N-5 was created by cheapening up an N-6 a bit. Less HP, smaller grain tank, lighter final drives, etc. It was a BIG class 5 rotary combine with possible performance close to an N-6 with proper tweaking.  By the mid 1980's A-C sold to Deutz, and by 1987 the replacement for the N-5/R-5 (and L-3) came out as an R-50 (prototype N-4) with the new P-3 processor and Deutz power. It was smaller, lighter and cheaper to build than an N-5/R-5 ever could be and if the N-5/R-5 was stock, the new R-50 filled in pretty well and then the R-40 came on board shortly thereafter. At nearly the same time the R-60/R70's (Deutz power)came along replacing the R-6/R-7.  The small narrow body machine was in prototype for a long time before it ever hit the market. The 1980's were tough times and in 1985 Ownership changed.  I got to run a 1986 R-50 prototype that had no model designation on it at all. Next year it was released as the R-50 a small class 5 combine. Also, there never was an R-4/R-5. If they ever were released, that would have been done during the A-C ownership with an A-C engine. Didn't happen....AC didn't have the $$$ to come out with two new machines and sales weren't that great at the time either...1985-86.

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thank you for that.   gleaner combine sales dropped here in that era!
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The R50 is a good machine, we had 24.5x32's on ours, ran a 318 flex head, and a 5-36 corn head. Later it had an 8-30 corn head. On occasion we would put a 4-36 corn head on to help out the relatives, I don't remember any issues with doing so. 
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I truly believe as the original N-series (and the P-1 processor system) was being changed/updated/improved/and fixed season after season, the Engineers took a long hard look at what not to do in the next generations combine harvesting system and the result was the P-3 processor in the new small chassis combine. The 70 inch long P-3 processor was born in 1987 with the R-50.  P-3 technology didn't get adapted into the big frame 90 inch long rotors until late 1990 in the later model R-60/R-70 machines.   By "P-3" , I am referring to:  #1. taller reversible segmented and more aggressive cylinder bars. #2. A cage with 1" x 1 1/4" holes and thicker material and less removeable doors for a much stronger cage structure. #3. a separator grate on the bottom of the left side. #4. a concave that is 100% or more larger in degrees of wrap and adjusted from the rear instead of the front. #5. helical bars that are channel iron for two edges of crop control. #6. discharge paddles on every row on the rotor  #7. more room around the cage eliminating the need for a cage sweep  #8. accelerator rolls positioned at 15 degree angle to throw the grain into the cleaning fan pre-blast of air  #9. straw chopper that utilized the same simple belt drive as an impeller did. #10.  straw spreader that did a better job of spreading fodder.  These ten changes in design were a big deal, not only in performance, but in service life of the harvesting part of the machine.  Pretty much all this remained very much the same from 1987 up thru the last R-66/R-76 series. The Super series just took these time proven features and made everything larger in diameter to squeeze even more productivity out of the 90 inch transverse rotor design.  I wasn't there watching all this happen. I just think that is how it went down over the years of development.

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Originally posted by tomNE tomNE wrote:

I don't disbelieve anything here; i just have a question because keeping track of gleaner combine numbers can be challenging!    you stated you think proto numbers were N3-4.  where does the R4 and R5 series combines fit into the equation?


Prototype numbers was N-4 for sure, i hadn't heard the talk of the N-3's until its been mentioned on here on the forum quite a few times. On the N-4's, each machine in 1986 were supposed to cover 1000 acres for that fall in which all off them did with ease to my understanding except one had lots of mechanical issues.

Dr. Allis, you were able to run one of the debadged prototypes? Was it one of the companies 2 machines or one that went to one of the 5 farmers that purchased one?
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We didn't talk financing, but I think this was one he kept for another season. It was a legit R-50 but on the side of the grain tank it was blank...no decal.  Reede from Marshalltown might remember. It was in their territory and this particular Customer was a neighbor of my Uncles.
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Grandpa had a R40 with a 4 36 head. It worked fine. I think he used the same head from his F2. The R40 was Deutz powered. Good on fuel and always started.
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If he used the head from his F-2, he made it fit the R-40, because there wasn't any "kit" from A-C or D-A or AGCO to do that.
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