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    Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:14pm
Went to local Massy Ferguson, Iseki, AGCO Dealership shopping for a replacement starter for my 1994 MF 1260 compact tractor. Parts counter guy came right out and told me I would not like the price. From Massy $1100 and change.
It's park it on a hill or pull it to start or junk a other wise useable tractor. Came home without a starter.
Needed a Alternator too. Been needing one for a loooong time. $212.94 for a rebuilt.

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find out what that starter and alternator fits of something else, then go back and re-price it, also check with auto parts places and tractor junk yards. an alternator for my 7080 was like $600. at one place, but it also fit a Chevy. and then the cost was below $100. for the same alternator! could work that way too for your starter.   
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You might consider having the starter rebuilt too.
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It's another classic case of  the "They know they got ya" story by big business!
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EBay!!!!!!!
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Dang Kenny!  How much was the tractor??
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Agco does gouge on parts for older equipment. More than other companies? I don't know. Or the part you need will be on stock in Europe. Not the states. Two to Three week wait. Not practical at all. Can get parts for our older AC tractors much quicker than our Agco Allis tractor. Wonder why their market share is so low.
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American Name Companies Badging Japanese Tractors may have something to do with HIGH parts prices. Red MF and Orange AGCO Allis were both Iseki Compact tractors sharing alike parts
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ebay,$70 for a alt. $240 for a starter.
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Agco wanted $63 for the D-14 manifold gasket......I bought elsewhere for $10 AND got the carb gasket as well !!

it really does pay to 'shop around'...

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Google massey 1260 bonanza has new starter 240$
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   Check with the nearest auto parts store, they have places that rebuild starters, alternators.
The guys at my local NAPA told me where to go to get my Delco starter/generator rebuilt for an old Bolens tractor, new armature and brushes and I was out the door.
Something else you can try is look in your phone book for electric motor service in your area these guys can re-wind the thing if needed.
   I'm right there with you with the price gouging just because they think they can they will.
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Agco's MF 231S steering Orbital-$3200.
A relative bargain at only 2x after market cost.



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AMAZON !!! Great deals on the parts I need in stock and priced right. AGCO needs to go far away with $1100 1260 starters when they are out there NEW for less than $200. Alternators $99
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$880 for hydraulic cooler for 185 @ dealer. Same cooler $340 from radiator shop. It pays to shop.
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High overhead in the supply chain, mark up and slow moving parts. Makes room for the low cost providers. At one time our AGCO dealer sold shop supplies like Loctite RTV Gasket eliminator for a lower price than any parts store.
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I have said it a million times and I guess I will have to say it a million more.  

1. Its not just AGCO
2. It pays to shop around-but sometimes you get what you paid for.  In this case I would send it to a rebuild place.  I know a great one, PM me and I will give you their contact info.  I would not buy a starter from Amazon.  
3.There is no consistency in parts pricing.  I tell customers that all of the time.  
4.Sometimes AGCO gets gouged from their suppliers too.
5.If a part is out of range for price we dealers do call and complain.
6.If your local dealer tries to help you please take that into consideration.
7.99% of the time OEM is a far better quality.

Please show some respect for those of us behind the counter.  


I will check on that D14 manifold gasket when I get time also.
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AGCO remanufactured is $298.67 exchange with a 12 month warranty. As several know I do work in a AGCO dealer. When I read some of the post how some dealers gouge and how some have no respect for there customers it makes me sick.
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Trust me when I say, It is NOT the people behind the AGCO parts counter doing their job that I have a ounce of disrespect for in any way, shape or form. The price they Quote is what they read off the computer screen.
I will however save time and money and call ahead next time instead of driving 60 miles one way to my nearest AGCO dealer, who actually sells more Kabotas, knowing full well AGCO parts are more than likely going to be way more expensive than from other sources.
   No mention was made to me today of a MF 1260 Reman starter, from this NE Texas dealer, being available for $298.67
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 If it were my starter, I would take it apart and see what is wrong with it... and then go get the parts to rebuild it...
 But if you don't want to mess with it, have it rebuilt by a good shop, it will be cheaper... or it use to be anyways. after market starters seem to be of lighter windings etc.
  
 Just be glad its not a starter for an M5 MM Diesel... obsolete...
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My local starter/alternator shop rebuilt the Delco starter for my CAT 955l to the tune of $225. I know this is apples to oranges, but this starter is behomith, an anchor by weight, and the windings were shot.   I agree to stay away from the aftermarket starters. I bought one once to replace a Lucas for a 185. Only two of three mounting holes lined up. My guy charges $185 to rebuilt a Lucas starter which is oem for many MF models.
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I had a Delco Remy starter rebuilt for one of our John Deere tractors locally. When I went to pick it up they told me they had a hard time finding parts for it because they were obsolete. They ended up getting them from a guy who buys out old shops.
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around here there is  "thermo-king" dealer that re-builds the old stuff (starters/gennys/ect) yes...the company that sells/repairs the refrigeration units on semi trailers. don't know if they all do it of not. the one in Omaha,Ne does. and are reasonable. 
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I've had very good luck with after market starters,bought one off ebay for my Oliver
1550 diesel for $120 w/free shipping starts the 1550 better than the original ever did
and its been over a year I've been using it with no problems.Also have gotten the 'cheapie'
after market starters for Cub Cadet diesel and a JD 445 all were fine.Deere wanted
$430 for a new starter ebay one was $52 free shipping.
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Ken,
The next time you need a starter, gennie or Alt rebuilt, drop me a line. Been doin' this stuff for 49 years. Be happy to help ya out, and send your unit back done up right at a good price!
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    Well,Ken,,,I can certainly relate to some seemingly price gouging for AGCO parts. I been lookin for a seal kit for the Rotary swing Cylinder for the Mark IV for weeks and finally caught a Lady at AGCO that would take the time to try to help me. For one thing,as BIG a corporation as AGCO is,,,they do not have a "Locator" to see which dealer has one on the shelf,,,AGCO INSISTS you contact a dealer that services YOUR area, place an order, and wait,,,,,She told me agco DOES NOT want you contacting dealers out of your area,,,WHAT,,,???,,,
 I have had NO friggin luck locating a seal kit for the  Rotary cylinder by asking for the Allis PN, so, having been told that Massey ferguson used the same Cessna Cylinder, I started trying to locate a seal kit for the MF, but there were 3 different sizes used and I have not yet found a dealer that wants to take the time to verify the seal dimensions before I place order,,,,!!! I downloaded a pic of said kit,,,and  The kits come in a clear plastic bag and seals could very easily be calipered WITHOUT opening the friggin bag,,,but I ain't fount a dealer that wants to take the time to do so,,,,ARGGGGggg,,,!!!!!
  Anyway, the Lady with agco did email me back yesterday,,,and the kit PN I gave her, is available, FROM AGCO, to the tune of,,,,,,,,,,,,, $630.00,,,yes,, you heard right,,,$630,,!!!
  And, what's confusing, I located a kit in Australia and one in the UK priced at 130/ pound and have been workin with two members here to verify which kits they are referring to before I place an order.
  It is SO FRUSTRATING  that companies that depend on  customer sales, seem to not give a chit if they sell anything or not,,,,,,!!!Angry

  OH,,by the way,,,Ken,,,Hope you are feelin better,,,how are your treatments going,,???
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Get both the alt and starter rebuilt locally. Most shops will have it done in a day or two.
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I left both the Starter and Alt at Longview Starter and Generator yesterday to be rebuilt. Pick them up today at noon on the way home after Chemo.
The owner is old like me and I trust he knows what he is doing or he wouldn't be in tne starter generator alternator business in the same location as long as he has.
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Just got gouged at the NAPA store, 3.67 for the screen and 4.60 for the gasket for the gas bowel on the gas tank on the B.
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Try Baum Hydraulics for the cylinder seals. http://www.baumhydraulics.com

There was an article in Electrical Apparatus magazine a couple months ago by a CPA talking about charges for parts stocked. Electrical Apparatus is aimed at electric motor repair shops. In that article the CPA suggested that parts on the shelf a few years should be priced at 5 or 6 times their original cost. I haven't checked lately but the contents of that magazine issue don't seem to have been placed on line. I would include a link to the article if I found it on line. Anyway its clear that the bean counters at Agco feel the same. I have felt its a feeling that the parts are occupying space that they feel should have holding gold bullion rising in value like farm land prices over the past 25 years.

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