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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Went to local Massy Ferguson, Iseki, AGCO Dealership shopping for a replacement starter for my 1994 MF 1260 compact tractor. Parts counter guy came right out and told me I would not like the price. From Massy $1100 and change.
It's park it on a hill or pull it to start or junk a other wise useable tractor. Came home without a starter. Needed a Alternator too. Been needing one for a loooong time. $212.94 for a rebuilt. Edited by Ken in Texas - 24 Aug 2016 at 6:17pm |
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shameless (ne) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 2016 Location: nebraska Points: 7463 |
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find out what that starter and alternator fits of something else, then go back and re-price it, also check with auto parts places and tractor junk yards. an alternator for my 7080 was like $600. at one place, but it also fit a Chevy. and then the cost was below $100. for the same alternator! could work that way too for your starter.
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DougS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490 |
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You might consider having the starter rebuilt too.
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Ken(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Points: 619 |
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It's another classic case of the "They know they got ya" story by big business!
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8270 |
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EBay!!!!!!!
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Hubnut ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2014 Location: Gainesville, FL Points: 1817 |
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Dang Kenny! How much was the tractor??
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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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caledonian ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 2016 Location: Nebraska Points: 470 |
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Agco does gouge on parts for older equipment. More than other companies? I don't know. Or the part you need will be on stock in Europe. Not the states. Two to Three week wait. Not practical at all. Can get parts for our older AC tractors much quicker than our Agco Allis tractor. Wonder why their market share is so low.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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American Name Companies Badging Japanese Tractors may have something to do with HIGH parts prices. Red MF and Orange AGCO Allis were both Iseki Compact tractors sharing alike parts
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hillmonkey ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Location: oville fl Points: 417 |
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ebay,$70 for a alt. $240 for a starter.
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24415 |
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Agco wanted $63 for the D-14 manifold gasket......I bought elsewhere for $10 AND got the carb gasket as well !!
it really does pay to 'shop around'... Jay |
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Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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bradley6874 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: salisbury md Points: 1349 |
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Google massey 1260 bonanza has new starter 240$
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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WDDave ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 02 Jun 2016 Location: pa Points: 68 |
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Check with the nearest auto parts store, they have places that rebuild starters, alternators.
The guys at my local NAPA told me where to go to get my Delco starter/generator rebuilt for an old Bolens tractor, new armature and brushes and I was out the door. Something else you can try is look in your phone book for electric motor service in your area these guys can re-wind the thing if needed. I'm right there with you with the price gouging just because they think they can they will. |
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BrianC ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Agco's MF 231S steering Orbital-$3200.
A relative bargain at only 2x after market cost. |
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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AMAZON !!! Great deals on the parts I need in stock and priced right. AGCO needs to go far away with $1100 1260 starters when they are out there NEW for less than $200. Alternators $99
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cottonpatch ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2010 Location: VIRGINIA Points: 285 |
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$880 for hydraulic cooler for 185 @ dealer. Same cooler $340 from radiator shop. It pays to shop.
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'52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040
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rw ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Location: United States Points: 384 |
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High overhead in the supply chain, mark up and slow moving parts. Makes room for the low cost providers. At one time our AGCO dealer sold shop supplies like Loctite RTV Gasket eliminator for a lower price than any parts store.
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JimIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Castalia Iowa Points: 1983 |
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I have said it a million times and I guess I will have to say it a million more.
1. Its not just AGCO 2. It pays to shop around-but sometimes you get what you paid for. In this case I would send it to a rebuild place. I know a great one, PM me and I will give you their contact info. I would not buy a starter from Amazon. 3.There is no consistency in parts pricing. I tell customers that all of the time. 4.Sometimes AGCO gets gouged from their suppliers too. 5.If a part is out of range for price we dealers do call and complain. 6.If your local dealer tries to help you please take that into consideration. 7.99% of the time OEM is a far better quality. Please show some respect for those of us behind the counter. I will check on that D14 manifold gasket when I get time also.
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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Albert ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW MO Points: 410 |
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AGCO remanufactured is $298.67 exchange with a 12 month warranty. As several know I do work in a AGCO dealer. When I read some of the post how some dealers gouge and how some have no respect for there customers it makes me sick.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Trust me when I say, It is NOT the people behind the AGCO parts counter doing their job that I have a ounce of disrespect for in any way, shape or form. The price they Quote is what they read off the computer screen.
I will however save time and money and call ahead next time instead of driving 60 miles one way to my nearest AGCO dealer, who actually sells more Kabotas, knowing full well AGCO parts are more than likely going to be way more expensive than from other sources. No mention was made to me today of a MF 1260 Reman starter, from this NE Texas dealer, being available for $298.67 |
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34259 |
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If it were my starter, I would take it apart and see what is wrong with it... and then go get the parts to rebuild it...
But if you don't want to mess with it, have it rebuilt by a good shop, it will be cheaper... or it use to be anyways. after market starters seem to be of lighter windings etc. Just be glad its not a starter for an M5 MM Diesel... obsolete... |
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He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
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cottonpatch ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2010 Location: VIRGINIA Points: 285 |
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My local starter/alternator shop rebuilt the Delco starter for my CAT 955l to the tune of $225. I know this is apples to oranges, but this starter is behomith, an anchor by weight, and the windings were shot. I agree to stay away from the aftermarket starters. I bought one once to replace a Lucas for a 185. Only two of three mounting holes lined up. My guy charges $185 to rebuilt a Lucas starter which is oem for many MF models.
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BigMo(TX) ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Feb 2014 Location: Arlington TX Points: 83 |
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I had a Delco Remy starter rebuilt for one of our John Deere tractors locally. When I went to pick it up they told me they had a hard time finding parts for it because they were obsolete. They ended up getting them from a guy who buys out old shops.
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shameless (ne) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 2016 Location: nebraska Points: 7463 |
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around here there is "thermo-king" dealer that re-builds the old stuff (starters/gennys/ect) yes...the company that sells/repairs the refrigeration
units on semi trailers. don't know if they all do it of not. the one in Omaha,Ne does. and are reasonable.
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Gary Burnett ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Points: 3036 |
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I've had very good luck with after market starters,bought one off ebay for my Oliver
1550 diesel for $120 w/free shipping starts the 1550 better than the original ever did and its been over a year I've been using it with no problems.Also have gotten the 'cheapie' after market starters for Cub Cadet diesel and a JD 445 all were fine.Deere wanted $430 for a new starter ebay one was $52 free shipping. |
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11950 |
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Ken,
The next time you need a starter, gennie or Alt rebuilt, drop me a line. Been doin' this stuff for 49 years. Be happy to help ya out, and send your unit back done up right at a good price! Steve@B&B |
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desertjoe ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13681 |
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Well,Ken,,,I can certainly relate to some seemingly price gouging for AGCO parts. I been lookin for a seal kit for the Rotary swing Cylinder for the Mark IV for weeks and finally caught a Lady at AGCO that would take the time to try to help me. For one thing,as BIG a corporation as AGCO is,,,they do not have a "Locator" to see which dealer has one on the shelf,,,AGCO INSISTS you contact a dealer that services YOUR area, place an order, and wait,,,,,She told me agco DOES NOT want you contacting dealers out of your area,,,WHAT,,,???,,, I have had NO friggin luck locating a seal kit for the Rotary cylinder by asking for the Allis PN, so, having been told that Massey ferguson used the same Cessna Cylinder, I started trying to locate a seal kit for the MF, but there were 3 different sizes used and I have not yet found a dealer that wants to take the time to verify the seal dimensions before I place order,,,,!!! I downloaded a pic of said kit,,,and The kits come in a clear plastic bag and seals could very easily be calipered WITHOUT opening the friggin bag,,,but I ain't fount a dealer that wants to take the time to do so,,,,ARGGGGggg,,,!!!!! Anyway, the Lady with agco did email me back yesterday,,,and the kit PN I gave her, is available, FROM AGCO, to the tune of,,,,,,,,,,,,, $630.00,,,yes,, you heard right,,,$630,,!!! And, what's confusing, I located a kit in Australia and one in the UK priced at 130/ pound and have been workin with two members here to verify which kits they are referring to before I place an order. It is SO FRUSTRATING that companies that depend on customer sales, seem to not give a chit if they sell anything or not,,,,,,!!! ![]() OH,,by the way,,,Ken,,,Hope you are feelin better,,,how are your treatments going,,??? |
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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Get both the alt and starter rebuilt locally. Most shops will have it done in a day or two.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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I left both the Starter and Alt at Longview Starter and Generator yesterday to be rebuilt. Pick them up today at noon on the way home after Chemo.
The owner is old like me and I trust he knows what he is doing or he wouldn't be in tne starter generator alternator business in the same location as long as he has. |
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nella(Pa) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Allentown, Pa. Points: 3114 |
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Just got gouged at the NAPA store, 3.67 for the screen and 4.60 for the gasket for the gas bowel on the gas tank on the B.
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Try Baum Hydraulics for the cylinder seals. http://www.baumhydraulics.com
There was an article in Electrical Apparatus magazine a couple months ago by a CPA talking about charges for parts stocked. Electrical Apparatus is aimed at electric motor repair shops. In that article the CPA suggested that parts on the shelf a few years should be priced at 5 or 6 times their original cost. I haven't checked lately but the contents of that magazine issue don't seem to have been placed on line. I would include a link to the article if I found it on line. Anyway its clear that the bean counters at Agco feel the same. I have felt its a feeling that the parts are occupying space that they feel should have holding gold bullion rising in value like farm land prices over the past 25 years. Gerald J. |
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