price gouging
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Topic: price gouging
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Subject: price gouging
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:14pm
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Went to local Massy Ferguson, Iseki, AGCO Dealership shopping for a replacement starter for my 1994 MF 1260 compact tractor. Parts counter guy came right out and told me I would not like the price. From Massy $1100 and change. It's park it on a hill or pull it to start or junk a other wise useable tractor. Came home without a starter. Needed a Alternator too. Been needing one for a loooong time. $212.94 for a rebuilt. |
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:24pm
| find out what that starter and alternator fits of something else, then go back and re-price it, also check with auto parts places and tractor junk yards. an alternator for my 7080 was like $600. at one place, but it also fit a Chevy. and then the cost was below $100. for the same alternator! could work that way too for your starter. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:25pm
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You might consider having the starter rebuilt too. |
Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:28pm
| It's another classic case of the "They know they got ya" story by big business! |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:29pm
| EBay!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:30pm
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Dang Kenny! How much was the tractor??
------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:33pm
| Agco does gouge on parts for older equipment. More than other companies? I don't know. Or the part you need will be on stock in Europe. Not the states. Two to Three week wait. Not practical at all. Can get parts for our older AC tractors much quicker than our Agco Allis tractor. Wonder why their market share is so low. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:41pm
| American Name Companies Badging Japanese Tractors may have something to do with HIGH parts prices. Red MF and Orange AGCO Allis were both Iseki Compact tractors sharing alike parts |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:46pm
| ebay,$70 for a alt. $240 for a starter. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 6:49pm
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Agco wanted $63 for the D-14 manifold gasket......I bought elsewhere for $10 AND got the carb gasket as well !! it really does pay to 'shop around'... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 7:02pm
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Google massey 1260 bonanza has new starter 240$ ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: WDDave
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 7:17pm
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Check with the nearest auto parts store, they have places that rebuild starters, alternators. The guys at my local NAPA told me where to go to get my Delco starter/generator rebuilt for an old Bolens tractor, new armature and brushes and I was out the door. Something else you can try is look in your phone book for electric motor service in your area these guys can re-wind the thing if needed. I'm right there with you with the price gouging just because they think they can they will. ------------- WD ,wide front, with loader |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 7:20pm
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Agco's MF 231S steering Orbital-$3200. A relative bargain at only 2x after market cost. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 7:44pm
| AMAZON !!! Great deals on the parts I need in stock and priced right. AGCO needs to go far away with $1100 1260 starters when they are out there NEW for less than $200. Alternators $99 |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 8:01pm
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$880 for hydraulic cooler for 185 @ dealer. Same cooler $340 from radiator shop. It pays to shop. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: rw
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 9:05pm
| High overhead in the supply chain, mark up and slow moving parts. Makes room for the low cost providers. At one time our AGCO dealer sold shop supplies like Loctite RTV Gasket eliminator for a lower price than any parts store. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 9:36pm
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I have said it a million times and I guess I will have to say it a million more. 1. Its not just AGCO 2. It pays to shop around-but sometimes you get what you paid for. In this case I would send it to a rebuild place. I know a great one, PM me and I will give you their contact info. I would not buy a starter from Amazon. 3.There is no consistency in parts pricing. I tell customers that all of the time. 4.Sometimes AGCO gets gouged from their suppliers too. 5.If a part is out of range for price we dealers do call and complain. 6.If your local dealer tries to help you please take that into consideration. 7.99% of the time OEM is a far better quality. Please show some respect for those of us behind the counter. I will check on that D14 manifold gasket when I get time also. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 9:39pm
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AGCO remanufactured is $298.67 exchange with a 12 month warranty. As several know I do work in a AGCO dealer. When I read some of the post how some dealers gouge and how some have no respect for there customers it makes me sick. Albert |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 10:21pm
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Trust me when I say, It is NOT the people behind the AGCO parts counter doing their job that I have a ounce of disrespect for in any way, shape or form. The price they Quote is what they read off the computer screen. I will however save time and money and call ahead next time instead of driving 60 miles one way to my nearest AGCO dealer, who actually sells more Kabotas, knowing full well AGCO parts are more than likely going to be way more expensive than from other sources. No mention was made to me today of a MF 1260 Reman starter, from this NE Texas dealer, being available for $298.67 |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 10:46pm
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If it were my starter, I would take it apart and see what is wrong with it... and then go get the parts to rebuild it... But if you don't want to mess with it, have it rebuilt by a good shop, it will be cheaper... or it use to be anyways. after market starters seem to be of lighter windings etc. Just be glad its not a starter for an M5 MM Diesel... obsolete... ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 11:14pm
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My local starter/alternator shop rebuilt the Delco starter for my CAT 955l to the tune of $225. I know this is apples to oranges, but this starter is behomith, an anchor by weight, and the windings were shot. I agree to stay away from the aftermarket starters. I bought one once to replace a Lucas for a 185. Only two of three mounting holes lined up. My guy charges $185 to rebuilt a Lucas starter which is oem for many MF models. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: BigMo(TX)
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 2:24am
| I had a Delco Remy starter rebuilt for one of our John Deere tractors locally. When I went to pick it up they told me they had a hard time finding parts for it because they were obsolete. They ended up getting them from a guy who buys out old shops. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 2:41am
| around here there is "thermo-king" dealer that re-builds the old stuff (starters/gennys/ect) yes...the company that sells/repairs the refrigeration units on semi trailers. don't know if they all do it of not. the one in Omaha,Ne does. and are reasonable. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 2:58am
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I've had very good luck with after market starters,bought one off ebay for my Oliver 1550 diesel for $120 w/free shipping starts the 1550 better than the original ever did and its been over a year I've been using it with no problems.Also have gotten the 'cheapie' after market starters for Cub Cadet diesel and a JD 445 all were fine.Deere wanted $430 for a new starter ebay one was $52 free shipping. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 6:39am
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Ken, The next time you need a starter, gennie or Alt rebuilt, drop me a line. Been doin' this stuff for 49 years. Be happy to help ya out, and send your unit back done up right at a good price! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 7:10am
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Well,Ken,,,I can certainly relate to some seemingly price gouging for AGCO parts. I been lookin for a seal kit for the Rotary swing Cylinder for the Mark IV for weeks and finally caught a Lady at AGCO that would take the time to try to help me. For one thing,as BIG a corporation as AGCO is,,,they do not have a "Locator" to see which dealer has one on the shelf,,,AGCO INSISTS you contact a dealer that services YOUR area, place an order, and wait,,,,,She told me agco DOES NOT want you contacting dealers out of your area,,,WHAT,,,???,,, I have had NO friggin luck locating a seal kit for the Rotary cylinder by asking for the Allis PN, so, having been told that Massey ferguson used the same Cessna Cylinder, I started trying to locate a seal kit for the MF, but there were 3 different sizes used and I have not yet found a dealer that wants to take the time to verify the seal dimensions before I place order,,,,!!! I downloaded a pic of said kit,,,and The kits come in a clear plastic bag and seals could very easily be calipered WITHOUT opening the friggin bag,,,but I ain't fount a dealer that wants to take the time to do so,,,,ARGGGGggg,,,!!!!! Anyway, the Lady with agco did email me back yesterday,,,and the kit PN I gave her, is available, FROM AGCO, to the tune of,,,,,,,,,,,,, $630.00,,,yes,, you heard right,,,$630,,!!! And, what's confusing, I located a kit in Australia and one in the UK priced at 130/ pound and have been workin with two members here to verify which kits they are referring to before I place an order. It is SO FRUSTRATING that companies that depend on customer sales, seem to not give a chit if they sell anything or not,,,,,,!!!  OH,,by the way,,,Ken,,,Hope you are feelin better,,,how are your treatments going,,??? |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 7:20am
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Get both the alt and starter rebuilt locally. Most shops will have it done in a day or two. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 7:39am
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I left both the Starter and Alt at Longview Starter and Generator yesterday to be rebuilt. Pick them up today at noon on the way home after Chemo. The owner is old like me and I trust he knows what he is doing or he wouldn't be in tne starter generator alternator business in the same location as long as he has. |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 7:58am
| Just got gouged at the NAPA store, 3.67 for the screen and 4.60 for the gasket for the gas bowel on the gas tank on the B. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 8:26am
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Try Baum Hydraulics for the cylinder seals. http://www.baumhydraulics.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.baumhydraulics.com There was an article in Electrical Apparatus magazine a couple months ago by a CPA talking about charges for parts stocked. Electrical Apparatus is aimed at electric motor repair shops. In that article the CPA suggested that parts on the shelf a few years should be priced at 5 or 6 times their original cost. I haven't checked lately but the contents of that magazine issue don't seem to have been placed on line. I would include a link to the article if I found it on line. Anyway its clear that the bean counters at Agco feel the same. I have felt its a feeling that the parts are occupying space that they feel should have holding gold bullion rising in value like farm land prices over the past 25 years. Gerald J. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 8:38am
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They sure don't want you running old stuff anymore.
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 8:39am
My price is $46.70 on that gasket. I guess I will be making another call to AGCO and tell them they need to fix that price! As Albert said there are some dealers that put way to much on their parts too. Which is too bad. We are suggested list and will stay suggested list. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
jaybmiller wrote:Posted By: Chris (swIA)
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 10:44am
| You have to shop around. I needed a cross and bearing for a u-joint on a Bush Hog with a B and P driveline last year. Found it a the local Deere dealer for a quarter of the price and no shipping. Some of the problem is some BTOs just call and get it without regard to price. The little guy has to watch the money closer. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 11:00am
| I've had AGCO dealers run part locaters for me a lot. I've bought several obsolete parts that way. I've had more than one run the locators. |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 11:32am
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Yeah I've done the parts locater too. Thing that ticked me off was they found a dealer with the part, I call dealer, they dig around in the attic for a while, say they've had the part 20 years, I ask how much and they give the current retail price. Even though the msrp may have been half the cost when they got it. Ok on hard parts the age doesn't matter, but were talking about rubber gaskets and stuff that can potentially deteriorate, and should be sold at discount or at least the original price... |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 12:19pm
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re: In that article the CPA suggested that parts on the shelf a few years should be priced at 5 or 6 times their original cost. hahahaha... really ? Obvious the CPA has NEVER ever worked in the REAL World ! parts on the shelf that long should be discounted 80-100% to GET RID OF THEM ! They're taking up valuable space, space that SHOULD be MAKING money NOT costing more. I got a killer deal on Lexan Twinwall Polycarb sheeting. Miscuts, stored 'on the shelf', about 3000 sq ft of it for the cost of shipping after I said...you could use that space for real products that MAKE you money... mgr agreed. he calls me every so often asking if I need anything ! Also the CPS doesn't know about 'turns'. It means how often and when to reorder stock based upon sales. I cut BASIC code 40 years ago on a TRS80 to help local hobby shop. He made an extra 15-20% in just a few months,paid me in RC toys,beer and pizza ! Finally... I bought a NEW master cylinder for my 57 Willys PU one day, counter guy says $200, I said $75 as it had an inch of dust on it and asked him WHEN was the last ime he sold one? If you sell me this NOW, you can use the space for better sellers. I got it for $75. Two other things I KNOW 1) you can't sell it, if it's NOT out on display 2) you can't sell it, if it's over priced Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 3:22pm
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Picked up both the ALT and Starter rebuilt today. $150 for the starter $50 for the Alternator. To think I drove by the Starter and Alternator shop on my way to the AGCO dealer 60 miles up the road. Glad as heck I stopped in on the way home. Tomorrow when it's cool I will put the parts back on the Little Massy and put it back to working . |
Posted By: 180Puller
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 6:02pm
| Theres a guy about 30 miles from me that rebuilds starters...He's very honest and very reasonable...He often saves people lots of money..Several times all he's done to mine is clean them up and charges $20-25.. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 7:48pm
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Over the years one thing most all tractor/equipment dealerships that went out of business had one thing in common at their sale lots of parts from way back that never sold. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 10:24pm
| NOS New Old Stock |
Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2016 at 2:56am
Not much different than the typical scraper/salvage yard operators. If it's hard to find and you need it it's worth anywhere from 50 - 200+% of its former new price even if though it's clearly 50 -90% worn out. I had this chat with one of the workers at one of our more local salvage yards not to long ago. ---------- anyways, as for our local place, for as long as I can remember I hated going there just because of the rip off prices they had on worn out stuff that I know damn well from first hand experience bidding against the guy at auctions he didn't get for pennies on the dollar. My first experience with him years ago was while bidding on an old square baler we wanted for parts. He outbid me at something like $200. I let him have it for that figure that he was just parting it out anyway and I could get the parts for less. I tracked him down later and asked if he was parting it out and of course he was so I asked if he would sell me the few parts I needed. Sure he would! $400 and I had to pull them myself before his guy load it up and took it back with them. His comment was, "A guys gotta make money you know. Take it or leave it." and he walked away. ---------- Fortunately the guy working there that day knew the stories like meine way too well and gave me the stuff I wanted for less than what the online guys wanted. For a place where 5 years ago a guy had to stand in line to get help I was there for over an hour and I think I was probably the only customer on the property. Sounds like the owners own greed came back around to bite them in the ass now that most everyone has internet and that gives them access to salvage dealers who are professional businessman that run highly competitive business operations. If they want $500 for an old gear from some old tractor they have had sitting in their cluttered shelves for who knows how long and a business online has the same gear all clean and neatly organized for $150 but takes 3 - 4 days and $50 in shipping to get who do you suppose is going to get the business? Heck yea, I'll wait 3 - 4 days to get a clean good condition gear that comes with a warranty over some old dirty crusty one that sells 'as is where is' for over 3x the price. |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:40am
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I have had very good results with DB Electrical. Very reasonable. http://www.dbelectrical.com/
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Posted By: Snowbusman
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 7:25am
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Hello, I'm up here in Canada and also looking for parts for the Cessna Rotary Swing Cylinder. Its on a Massey Ferguson 54A backhoe attachment. I need 1 only wave washer P/N 1031690M1 and two springs P/N 1031689. You mentioned you found a foreign supplier. Can you help me? Bob
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Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 7:43am
| Dealer wanted 165$ for a coil in the B magneto, got one from Steve at B&B for 69$ along with a lot of help. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 9:12am
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Should told them you'd be right back, you had to go home and paint the tractor green ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 9:26am
| These examples are exactly why I look at how something is engineered and designed so that if needed it can be either completely eliminated or redesigned to use a more common far cheaper and possibly even better alternative component in its place. |