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LeonR2013 
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 Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 8:43am |
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If you are concerned about how much weight you're putting on the trailer there is a small book published that will tell you how many board feet you have in your log then multiply the board feet times 8 lbs. That will get you real close on the weight.
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Allis dave
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Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 7:17am |
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Always fun to read your posts. Looks like good/hard work.
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Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 4:53pm |
Great post! Like that New Idea running gear. Always liked they way they look. Jim
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Posted: 22 Jan 2018 at 5:32pm |
Cleaned up the rest of the field on Saturday afternoon, as we are expecting some freezing rain and snow. Got started around 2 P.M. Took one load home, stopped for supper, then out for some nighttime work! Wish I had something more exciting to report, but here is the monotonous part, load after load. Slowly but surely. Those 4" square LED's sure do light up the night. The garden tractor battery kept them burning brightly for over 4 hours.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2018 at 9:02pm |
Well, we did get the snow and rain today. Nice wet packy stuff. So, we found one more use for those LEDs. The kids have their own brick makers. I repurposed the recycling bin to make a Pa sized brick maker. Kids are pretty industrious when they want to be.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 9:22am |
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I really love the giant plywood toolbox. I believe I'll be stealing that idea! :-)
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Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 11:37am |
How come you don't have a set of those lights on the front end? Where'd you get them? We got over an inch of rain down here and a smattering of snow. Made for some HEAVY slush to shovel.  ..Glad we got it though, every little bit helps! Too bad the ground was so frozen though, all the rain just ran off.  What'd you get up there, about 10"?
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littlemarv
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Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 11:56am |
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I'm glad I painted the toolbox, cause I don't think I'll ever take it off! Just a note, there are large brackets under it, it's not just bolted to the frame.
The lights I got from work, $50 a piece but worth every penny. I bolted them to old CB antenna magnets, so they go wherever I need light. I just had them on the back this time. When going through the woods I put one up.front and one out back. But working out in the open, the old 6 volts up front were enough. We only got about 6" of snow, but lots of rain yesterday.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 11:39pm |
Junior has been feeling a little left out. But when I am loading logs with the crane onto the wagon and trailer, he just can't be around. One slip of the chain, one blown hydraulic hose, one slip off the clutch pedal, all spell disaster. But he sure likes to help, and its good for him to be outside and active in the fresh air. If only there was some way he could help, and up production at the same time............. Hmmmm. I've always wanted a log arch.... Oh great, here we go again! Someone at work replaced the front hubs on his pickup recently, and lucky for me, he never throws anything out either. Talked to the scrap man at work, and after a quick dip in the steel dumpster, came out with all the steel I need for construction. Got some 4" square tubing, and some frame rail. Got two rims and tires pretty cheap from the junkyard. The reason I bolted the rims on backwards is for clearance on the legs. But even with them bolted on backwards, there still isn't much material sticking out to work with. Anyways, now I can finish my calculations, now that I have the tire height. So here is my master plan. Note: it is not to scale, the geometry is sketchy at best, and half the measurements got changed on the fly... Four cuts of 22 1/2 degrees should get around a 90 degree corner, and make some 45 degree angles for strength as well. Made a pattern and laid out all the cuts. Took the steel to a machine shop to have it cut. Laid it all out, looks like my angles are good. Added a little material to the pieces of framerail to get it out past the tires. Laid the arch out on the floor, tacked it all the way around, and welded it tight. Turned out pretty good. Before I welded the hitch together, I tacked a couple of 3/8" bolts into place for mounting the winch. Fabricated a tongue. Laid out the hitch and welded it up. Picked up a boat winch, I had the cable and hooks and a snatchblock already. So today we went and tried it out. We don't have any popple logs laying at this exact moment, but lucky for us, Grandpa Marvin has a load of oak logs sitting in his yard. Rolled a couple out to where we can get at them. Works pretty slick. This arch has room for about 6' from the back to the hitch, so it should handle 12' logs. Off he goes. Here is a video Put things back where you found them! So, I am very pleased with how the arch turned out. Its not quite done yet, I have a few ideas to try out now that I know it works. And I need to weld on some grab hooks and some loops for attaching hooks and chains and we should be in business. Already thinking cheap electric winch too. Fired up the WD, broke a trail down to the corner of the field, where we will be cutting next. The rearview mirror looked like this And, of course, we had to switch spots. We have had it pretty good weather wise lately. Supposed to fall back into the single digits this week, we will see what February brings. Thanks for looking!
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 12:58am |
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Is popple poplar? Is it a mix? Some of the logs look like Quaking Aspen just curious.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 6:09am |
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Marv looks like the BIG snow missed you, LOVE your videos. Jr will remember this time spent with you for the rest of his life.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 7:55am |
very, very nice.
I got the middle one below at Harbor Freight for my flatbed, but instead installed it temporarily in my small workshop as an overhead lift. works excellent holding 8N hood up and out of the way, but would it handle your heavier loads??? the wireless remote is very handy... and safer in case of a broken line whip back.
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littlemarv
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 9:34am |
Junior has a hard time cranking the winch because its almost above his head. I suppose I would too. A guy at work wants to sell me that exact winch, he got it and never uses it. If I would mount the winch right on the back, run the cable down to the snatch block, and straight back up to a loop under the arch, I should be able to lift pretty much anything that fits under the arch. And the remote is a big plus. It doesn't look like it, but there is a lot of force involved with dead lifting logs like this. Those two oak logs gotta go 500 pounds, so a whole pile of popple should be no problem. In the video I realize we forgot to chain up the front of the logs. I need to add some grab hooks for chains and add them front and rear, so the logs aren't hanging from the winch during transport.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 11:13am |
the electric motor helps with a nice safe lowering as well as raising. btw mine came with a guide for the cable in case you don't want to go directly down with it. I'm not using it... just informing.
either way, a pretty good assist for your superkid there, and should make it go easier and faster.
and like everyone else, I thank you for sharing the experience(s).
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 11:49am |
Walker: Popple is popple, I guess. Maybe its just spelled different depending on where you are? Its like a weed around here, pretty much everywhere. If you want it to be, its like a crop, like anything else, needs to be harvested once in a while. Back in 1895, a dapper young man by the name of Bruno Sommer bought 80 acres of popple trees from the railroad, cleared half of it, and built the Sommer family farm. The stuff grows, fast, gets rot, and falls over. May as well clean up the mess and have some fun doing it! "Wood ain't no good in the woods!" I wouldn't know what a quaking aspen was if I saw it, unless it was actually quaking.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 4:22pm |
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Marv, we got Tulip Poplar here that sounds about the closest to it. Quaking Aspen is a really soft type used to make paper. Light colored bark and leaves that shimmer in the sunlight with the wind, I guess that's where the Quaking comes from.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 4:48pm |
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Marv, "popple" here in WI is poplar, a close cousin of cottonwood.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 6:47pm |
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got two of those new idea wagon gears my dad bought new they called that design a rocking bolstom i think they are #5 or #7
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 7:09pm |
Sure enough, I googled "New Idea #7 running gear" and that's exactly what it is! Dad said that wagon was there on the farm when he got there, circa 1945. Wonder how long those wagons were made?
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 7:25pm |
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I suppose I should correct myself. Seems to me I heard Quaking Aspen is used to make OSB board. A long time ago I used to haul it to a paper mill, that's why paper sticks in my mind, but I don't know what it went into from there. Takes a higher HP saw to cut it because the fibers will close back into the cut and drag on the chain even when its sharp.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 8:16pm |
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I don't know my trees so I googled popple trees and learned that popples are the same as quaking aspen.
Jim
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 8:46pm |
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They also call Quaking Aspen pulp or pulp wood trees here but I've never heard em called popple. If you promise to take them all you can have mine. I cut them and let them rot, they have a tendency to get just big enough to be a pita then snap off and mess up the woods. To find one more that 12 inches in diameter and still standing is the exception rather than the rule.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 8:59pm |
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And to sweeten up the deal I will throw in all the Multiflora Rose but ya gotta take em all.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 9:26pm |
I started out thinking we should make a little money doing this. Any straight, solid log 8" in diameter and larger qualifies as a "bolt". They make them into boards or posts, I guess. Bolts get around $135/cord. The rest is pulpwood that goes to the paper mill, at around $80/cord. The problem we are running into is, the logs are either 7 1/2" and perfect, or 8" and dozy in the middle. Good bolts are hard to come by. Trucking is about $20/cord. Think about it. The wood buyer sets the price, the trucker gets his cut, and we get whats left. Who do you think is going to get the short end of the stick, every time? So, I have decided to give up on the money making prospect, and just have fun working with my machines and my family. So far so good.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 10:46pm |
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That sort of wood makes pretty good filler to add to your woodpile. I burn it in spring and fall when the temps are mild cut back and smoldering it keeps a small amount of heat flowing for awhile.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2018 at 12:22am |
I'm on a section of what was a eucalyptus farm way back when they were building the railroads in California. they aren't the bushy windbreak type, they are "crown eucs" with 6 or 7 trunks growing from a single root system. The trunks are 100' + and mostly straight as an arrow. they were originally intended to be processed into railroad ties till the growers discovered their unfortunate tendency to twist as they dried out (over 2 years). great for fencepost or pole barn use tho... if you are patient enough to wait out the curing cycle.
anyway... why I am mentioning it here is that I was considering a portable sawmill. thought it would be fun to make my own lumber. but... once again these proved to be the wrong trees for the purpose due to their instability in any but the full round uncut form.
would that work for popple? there's a wide variety of prices, kinds, kits and plans available on the net. saw one inexpensive bandsaw kit that was designed for those who can weld. like most, the saw head travelled on tracks along a stationary log. wish I could use that, but I am limited to posts and firewood with my twisty eucs.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2018 at 9:03am |
Enjoyed reading! Stay safe out there....
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Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 8:57am |
Finally had time to figure out the NEXT way to post pictures... Went up after work one night and skidded some whole trees across the field, up into the yard. I'm not a huge fan of skidding whole trees. It's tough in the woods, it's too easy to get frustrated when they won't move and jerk on them. It can be hard on the tractor, but when we drop them in the field and just skid them up to the yard, it isn't too bad. It does eliminate having to load and unload them, you can just pick them up and throw them on the pile. So, spent a Sunday morning cutting and piling... The smaller ones are actually easier to flip onto the trailer, back up to the pile, and flip them end for end onto the pile. Some of the bigger ones still require the tractor. So, got the yard cleaned up, all logs put away, and drug a new batch up into the yard to do it all over again. The saw man came and cut them up during the week, and junior and I headed up for a day of fun working outside again. Ahhhhh, the joys of teaching a kid to back up a trailer. Actually didn't take him too long and he got the hang of it. Went around and knocked everything loose with a splitting maul. Then we sort the sticks. Bolts stay up here, the pulpwood goes in the lower pile. Now, to get the logs up on the pile. I made this handy attachment to bolt onto the arch. It is just a pulley mounted up high, with some loops to tie back to. Should give us the lift we need to make the pile higher. Also got a handy electric winch with remote control! Just runs on a truck battery, in the box of the gator for now. If we are going to use it a lot, may have to mount a battery box on it. Here is a video of how it works, unloading the wagon. Of course, no day is complete if junior can't drive a tractor. Told him if anything goes wrong, to throw the hand clutch forward or shut the switch off, plus he was pulling logs across the field in second gear so I just walked along next to him. So, another batch cleaned up. For all the work we are doing, the pile sure doesn't seem to be getting any bigger. But, we were in a bad batch of wood, it was mostly dozy, so a lot of it went on the pulp pile. Luckily, big brother went to a new spot and found some of the largest, straightest trees we have come to yet. Some of them are so big, I'm not sure the farm crane will lift them. We will get to try the log arch out yet! Here is a question for you fellows. The new spot is across the creek and at the other end of an alfalfa field. Pa said we can't drive on the field cause it will crush the plants and kill them. There is 6" of snow on the field, and aren't they dormant now anyways? Its a little late now, I have been driving the trails after every snowfall to keep them open. And its a good thing too, cause if you fall off the trail, you start spinning and play hell to get back up on it! Thanks for looking.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:43pm |
Looks good! Be careful with the high piles, it might be good that the
winch is kinda slow, it gives time to see what is going on.  And if I am correct...at least Carter can't roll the tractor over backwards because the "crane" won't let it flip easily? - Ben
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Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 9:08am |
Very nice work in the woods! Watch those hand winches (looks like you moved to a electric one). Regards, Chris
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