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Not AC but need engine help guys!!!!

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100 seems to me about right for a flathead engine.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CAdon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2012 at 8:51pm
one more vote for the coil.  and unreliable condensers.  would send you a better built one from that era but,, uhh,, i need it.  can you locate one?  dunno why it's so hard to find a newer one that works, but it is.
btw steve at b&b seems to be a good go to guy for anything electrical.
52 CA, 41 B and a little B1    oh, yeah... and an 8N ford snuck in there, too.

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100 lbs of compression sounds good. Those were not hi comp engines.
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I know you said you replaced the fuel line, and I'm assuming you mean from fuel pump to carb, but did you replace the line from the tank to the fuel pump??  I had a similar problem with a '35 Chev pickup and the fuel line was rusted real thin behind the battery box and it was partially flattened. I could get the old truck up to about 15 MPH and that was it. I replaced the whole fuel line and that fixed it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 12:14am
Originally posted by AJ AJ wrote:

Karl, it does have a "weak" spark at the points but how would than effect the way it runs at higher rpms?


Arcing across the points means that either the condenser is bad, or the coil has an internal short.  It would affect how it runs at higher RPMs, because the arcing effectively means your ignition coil's secondary field is not collapsing as quickly as it SHOULD be.  The side-effect that you'd get, is like someone grabbing the distributor and twisting it about 40 degrees... and then flipping the ignition switch on and off quickly...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 6:46am
Found it!!!! The new points I bought was manufactured without the spring on it causing the points to "float" at high rpms. If I could post pics I would show everyone a pic of it. Amazing something so small can cause so much stress. I have 11 days to get her back together and finished up before the wedding. (No pressure). Thanks for everyone's help, it means a lot to my fiancee and I. I know it isn't what we normally talk about on here it just this form has helped me with so many other issues on my tractors I figured what the hell, why not? So, thank you everyone.

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Check the points to see that they open and close without any bind and there should be a healthy resistance to opening them.  More than one mechanic has scratched his head over  same problem with the old style NAPA Echlin points that had both a spring and copper strap.   The actual spring could fall out leaving just the copper strap. Engine would idle all day but not run over 1000 or so RPMs.  A check with a timing light will show if this (or other ignition problem) is causing your problems.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 6:57am
Originally posted by AJ AJ wrote:

I can't do that. If I did I wouldn't be getting married then. Besides you wouldn't want to pay the price she would want.


Hee hee... tough world when the contingency of a marriage contract revolves around the ressurection of a '49 Studebaker Champion...  Does she have a bass boat and hunting dog?  LOL

What I didn't mention, and perhaps you already know... the Studebaker Champion is 6v positive ground...

But there's a chance that someone converted it to 8v, perhaps even reversed the polarity at some point.  From 6v to 8v was frequently only a screwdriver's twist of the voltage regulator screw and a tweak of the generator brush position... polarity reversal wasn't much more than swapping cables, flashing the generator/regulator, and replacing the radio (if it had one).  Most guys just ran the 6v bulbs, and replaced 'em more often.

If you're using a 12v battery on either a 6v or 8v system, you may wind up with an overheating ignition coil, so beware!


Edited by DaveKamp - 28 Aug 2012 at 6:59am
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AJ, I know the feeling of pressure trying to get a car done for a wedding, and it wasn't even mine.  My brother and I fixed up 55' Studebaker Commander for my good friend's wedding.  It was his future wife's Grandpa's car and it was a hush hush secret.  Ultimately I did not get the car running until the morning of the rehearsal.  The father of the director of the Studebaker museum just happens to live here in Manitowoc and just happened to have an extra rebuilt fuel pump sitting on the shelf.  Then I had to quick load it and drive three hours across the state and be a few minutes late for the rehearsal but I couldn't explain to the bride to be until the next day why I was late.  Below is a picture of them at my wedding.

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Very nice Michael. Hope ours turns out well. Sucks getting down to the wire and having to pull everything together at once. Lol
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Originally posted by AJ AJ wrote:

Found it!!!! The new points I bought was manufactured without the spring on it causing the points to "float" at high rpms. If I could post pics I would show everyone a pic of it. Amazing something so small can cause so much stress. I have 11 days to get her back together and finished up before the wedding. (No pressure). Thanks for everyone's help, it means a lot to my fiancee and I. I know it isn't what we normally talk about on here it just this form has helped me with so many other issues on my tractors I figured what the hell, why not? So, thank you everyone.
Good grief I didn't read that post before i answered, LOL. Just old age,,, I hope.
Oh, now I see why, we were both typing at the same time,, LOL.

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No worries

Edited by AJ - 28 Aug 2012 at 10:04am
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That would be a complete circuit. Ground strap would be required for headlights or anything grounded to the body as the drive train is mounted in rubber (motor mounts,spring shackles, shocks, etc.)
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when you adjusted the timing and nothing happened i suspect that was the red flag. im guessing the bearing for the distb shaft or the shaft end gear that runs off the cam is toast causing the no change in advancement or retard to the distributor and the rough run at anything higher than idle rpm. mark 0 tdc and rotate distb while running with timing light on the 0 tdc mark and observe. if the distb shaft has lateral movement then the points cannot open and close at precise fire time causing distortion at high rpm.
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I knew it was something simple but just couldn't find the source. Gotta thank the Chinese for their exceptional craftsmenship.
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