Lemons of all brands lets hear them!!!

Let's not bring our selves down to the same level as those on other sites!!  Please!  All manufactures have issues, it's the nature of the beast.

Allis Chalmers: 

Edited by AC WD45 - 16 Oct 2011 at 4:19pm

Ahhhh geese you gone done opened of up a can of worms now...

ih: 560's suck!!!

Can't forget IH's illustrious "Torque", either out or soon to be out.

JD's 30 years behind the rest of the industry's 2 cylinder engine.

Ever try to graciously back up to hitch up something with a JD 60 hand clutch? There's like 4 feet of travel in the lever and you have to push it forward (about 4 feet) to go backwards. You can't see the hole in the drawbar and the tractor is jumpy as heck to boot. I guess a true JD man can probably do it in his sleep, Being an AC man I think they suck.

I know of no tranny issues caused by bad engineering, yes there were some weak rearends.  This whole jumping out of gear is from the user, maybe not you, but someone in the past grinding gears.  You grind gears in any tractor and eventually the tranny is shot.  The power directors are pretty solid too.  Yes there are issues that Allis had, but many if not most of the tranny problems resulted from operator error.  You can build them only so tough, before something else won't hold up, or the engine can no longer drive all the weight.

AC WD45 wrote: Oh come on this might be fun Allis Chalmers:  Wd45's hydraulic pump is a pita to remove service. Torque housing fill plug is in a very tight spot. 3rd gear jump is common D series: 3rd gear jump is common, power directors wear out 7000 Series: Short engine life John Deere: A's blow head gaskets all the time B's the same Hand clutch linkage sucks Styled tractors had weak frames Power-trol really was a troll. **20 series burn up powershift,  Synchro tractors, burn up clutches Quad range tractors always lose 1st and second slap shift. Kubota: Burn up Clutches Cub cadet:  horrible garden tractors Farmall/IH:  Horrible shift locations for almost ALL models, Throttle linkage is horrible on all letter series, Axle housings split, axle shafts and keys shear, starting procedure is ridiculously stupid on letter series, IH 300/350 series always bend/break steering rods Ford:  select-o-speed blows, literally and figuratively

Cub Cadet horrible? You're talking after MTD got them right? The older IH CC's are tanks...

Well.

I've never had a problem with my A blowing head gaskets. I do agree that the clutch linkages on the deere's wear out. With a little bit of patience they can be fixed.

I've never had a problem with my TA either. Yes I do use it....

Not sure what you meant by the farmall letter series starting procedures. If you mean the diesels, I guess it takes some getting used to. I love my diesels.

The tranny on my allis has never gave me a problem at all.

Now,

For me, seems like a lot of rear axle seals on the allis's leak. On the older lettered that is.

I think the 560's overall were flops. They looked nice, but IH should have had their act together.

I think the way to engage the PTO on a JD 730 is a pain in the butt.

I'm really not biased with my collecting tastes....

AC WD45 wrote: John Deere: A's blow head gaskets all the time B's the same Hand clutch linkage sucks Styled tractors had weak frames Power-trol really was a troll.

Well since I am a John Deere and Allis man I gotta say something.....lol. I have never seen an A or B blow a head gasket when it was installed correctly.....I have 3 A's myself.....haven't ever seen A's pushing 50+ HP blow a head gasket either. The clutch linkage is very very simple and easy to fix the areas that wear out. Not all styled tractors had weak frames b/c not all styled tractors have pressed steel frames......and I've never had a problem with the JD Power-trol.......John Deere just must not like you.....lol.

at one of the local shows I watch a guy hook up a wagon to a JD720, looked awkward at best but he got close and luckily the wagon hitch had one of those extenders that the ground guy was able to slide out and hook up.

I wonder where some of this is coming from, 7000 series short engine life?? Not something I have expierenced, the 7080-7580 had crank problems but it wasnt caused by a bad engine the crank was overhardened and made the ends brittle, common sence would tell you when the crank breaks the nose off its not a engine power problem there is no hp other than acc. drive on the front of the engine, now if the rear broke now thats an engine issue.Tranny problems, we have seen tractors with 20,000+ hrs that had no tranny issues, if your going to grind gears and not keep the fluid levels correct any brand is going to have an issue. The early 7000 series had cable breaking problems the later 7000 and all 8000 had HD cables so that isnt an issue they just needed to be updated, and adjusted properly. The AC tranny and rearend combo was one of the most bullet proof combos made.The front ends on 180-190 tractors were weak? Where? You cant find a IH where the whole front end isnt all wobbled out and broke, any JD 10-20 series if it had a loader on the knees were broke off the bolster, and rewelded, and alot that didnt have a loader on were broke, when was the last time you seen a knee on the AC broke, Ive never seen it, the back ends have been broke or cracked but there again no body greased it the pins are all slopped out and when you go threw a hole its getting a sudden jolt, tighten them up with new pin and grease them and they will last forever.Not saying AC didnt have flaws, but in comparison to the others on the market they were as tough as elephant nails!!!!

Well put Kcgrain Trannys are still made that way in vehicles today they just have sycronizers so they don't gring and they say there was less hp loss through that style. I just haven't had the problems that have been stated. It took my buddy 3 parts H's(IH)to find enuff unbroken gears to fix his and it still jumps out of 5th. I've got a 930 case I got cheap because of a tranny problem that left it dead in the field the guy was told it needed split to fix and the local caseih dealer said it cost more than it's worth. I seen a 4010 deere torn apart with a broken pinion gear etc.

What was the point of the proving grounds at these places then? ( AC, JD, IH, MM) whatever... I think these companies all had the intentions of building and selling a top notch machine. Maybe a few here and there had flaws. BUT that goes for anything you buy! People saying how AC tractors are notorious for jumping out of gear... WHEN? Now or back in 1959 when the D14 came out? If there was a problem there was more than likely some memo sent out by AC to dealers and the owners stating the problem and how they were going to fix it. Same goes for things like cars now days. If you look at the gear problem from today's stand point...it is useless. That tractor is 50 years old; something is eventually going to go out on it from the wear and tear. I have read how some people have never had problems either! So it also goes to show that it is how the machine was handled by previous owners before you got it. I think tractors were built tough and competitively

What about CASE?

  case --can,t afford something else