Lemons of all brands lets hear them!!!
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Topic: Lemons of all brands lets hear them!!!
Posted By: Smokey Joe
Subject: Lemons of all brands lets hear them!!!
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 12:56pm
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I'm going to say Internationals shift linkage and their location for shifters up here over there behind you come on can i say yay for Console Control by AC.
John Deere 00-55 series hydraulic system design charge pump inside tractor requires splitting to fix. AC Rotary fuel injection pumps and shift cables 7000 series. ------------- 210,220,7010 AC,7020 AC,7040 AC,7045 Pedal Tractor, 8050& 8070 and Parts and Pieces of Many More!!! |
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Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 1:08pm
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Let's not bring our selves down to the same level as those on other sites!! Please! All manufactures have issues, it's the nature of the beast. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Smokey Joe
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 1:27pm
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I just like ruffling feathers I want to see some of the Red Power guys posting "did you see what that guy said on the AC site" They said IH only messed up 1 tractor and that the 560.Ha Ha Ha. ------------- 210,220,7010 AC,7020 AC,7040 AC,7045 Pedal Tractor, 8050& 8070 and Parts and Pieces of Many More!!! |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 1:34pm
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Oh come on this might be fun Wd45's hydraulic pump is a pita to remove service. Torque housing fill plug is in a very tight spot. 3rd gear jump is common D series: 3rd gear jump is common, power directors wear out 7000 Series: Short engine life John Deere: A's blow head gaskets all the time B's the same Hand clutch linkage sucks Styled tractors had weak frames Power-trol really was a troll. **20 series burn up powershift, Synchro tractors, burn up clutches Quad range tractors always lose 1st and second slap shift. Kubota: Burn up Clutches Cub cadet: horrible garden tractors Farmall/IH: Horrible shift locations for almost ALL models, Throttle linkage is horrible on all letter series, Axle housings split, axle shafts and keys shear, starting procedure is ridiculously stupid on letter series, IH 300/350 series always bend/break steering rods Ford: select-o-speed blows, literally and figuratively
------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Josh Day
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 2:10pm
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Just like Orange Blood said " All manufactures have their issues".
But AC's don't have any issues. LOL |
Posted By: Doyle B(NY)
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 3:06pm
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Ahhhh geese you gone done opened of up a can of worms now...
welll... seens its already started
AC jump outta 3rd, 190s weak rearends, very weak front ends
John deere 20 series powershift burns out
IH junk shift linkages and horriable fuel economy
ford select o speed horriable
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Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 3:28pm
| Alls o mine are lemmons even when nothing is wrong with them. |
Posted By: acwdwcman
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 4:16pm
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ih: 560's suck!!! and for ac's i agree with josh ------------- wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 4:25pm
| Cant think of a single transmission from ac that anyone could really be proud of. They all seemed to have issues staying in gear or just too weak in general |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 5:33pm
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Can't forget IH's illustrious "Torque", either out or soon to be out.
JD's 30 years behind the rest of the industry's 2 cylinder engine. Ever try to graciously back up to hitch up something with a JD 60 hand clutch? There's like 4 feet of travel in the lever and you have to push it forward (about 4 feet) to go backwards. You can't see the hole in the drawbar and the tractor is jumpy as heck to boot. I guess a true JD man can probably do it in his sleep, Being an AC man I think they suck. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Smokey Joe
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 5:50pm
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I disagree with you on that statement cause I really like the power director in the 7000&8000 series they are tough I got one in a 7020 hot stock tractor that has a 426 in it and it has about 35 pulls on it at about 300-400HP and no issues and no gear trouble. ------------- 210,220,7010 AC,7020 AC,7040 AC,7045 Pedal Tractor, 8050& 8070 and Parts and Pieces of Many More!!! |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 6:02pm
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I know of no tranny issues caused by bad engineering, yes there were some weak rearends. This whole jumping out of gear is from the user, maybe not you, but someone in the past grinding gears. You grind gears in any tractor and eventually the tranny is shot. The power directors are pretty solid too. Yes there are issues that Allis had, but many if not most of the tranny problems resulted from operator error. You can build them only so tough, before something else won't hold up, or the engine can no longer drive all the weight.
Between my dad, uncle, granddad, and many of my cousins, we probably own near 150 different Allis, from the WC up to the 8550, and my uncle now owns some of the Agco stuff. Except for the control cables on the 7000 series, none of them have had a cronic problem. Doesn't mean stuff doesn't break and we had to fix it, but it was either our own fault, using the tactor for something it wans't intended, or just worn out, but it wasn't like the same thing on every similar tractor we owned went bad.
All manufactures have it, the only thing I can think of that truely hinges on a design flaw, is our neighbors brand new 9400 JD combine would eat two or three clean grain augers every harvest, JD engineers came out, and could never figure it out, don't know if it was unique or a trend in the line. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: D-allis Iowa
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 6:55pm
| Parking brake on 185 and others of that era. The WC hand brake had a very good safe parking brake and each side was locked in to its max. I had a near new 185 roll down a hill when parking beake with its little teeth sliped and rolled into a new milking parlor. Partially my fault should have wheels cocked more but never. Really learned a good lesson. Parking brake cables on 8050 also could be better.. Other than that don't have many complaints about Allis. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 9:13pm
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
AC WD45 wrote:Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 9:30pm
I've been around Allis tractors for 58 of my 58 years and never knew of one with that had issues staying in gear until some idiot spent 10 or 20 years grinding it into 3rd. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 10:40pm
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Well. I've never had a problem with my A blowing head gaskets. I do agree that the clutch linkages on the deere's wear out. With a little bit of patience they can be fixed. I've never had a problem with my TA either. Yes I do use it.... Not sure what you meant by the farmall letter series starting procedures. If you mean the diesels, I guess it takes some getting used to. I love my diesels. The tranny on my allis has never gave me a problem at all. Now, For me, seems like a lot of rear axle seals on the allis's leak. On the older lettered that is. I think the 560's overall were flops. They looked nice, but IH should have had their act together. I think the way to engage the PTO on a JD 730 is a pain in the butt. I'm really not biased with my collecting tastes.... |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 10:42pm
| IH's ta...costs about $1.00 each time you use it, and the side shifter costs a bunch when it locks in forward and park at the same time! the shift and hyd cables on AC's snap to easy! the kabota clutches are junk, the ford select-o-matic...don't even go there! ford 8-N & 9-N's are people killers!, 3rd gear (always used) in AC's are not strong nuff, JD 2 puffers jerk you and all PTO equipment dies prematurly from the jerking! the 20 series JD's had bad wiring that wanted to melt and catch fire all the time!, switching PTO's were a joke! PTO's on the 3 numbered AC models are to weak, IH 460/560 hard to git on and off of with the tall levers on each side, JD's from 20 series on up burn almost twice the fuel as others, the old case's sucked when trying to hook a belt up to anything belt driven as the pulley ran all the time, always took 2 persons to hook up....one to hold a 2x4 against the belt to keep it on the pulley while the other backed the tractor up! these are just some of the tractors i've had the pleasure and displeasure of operating in my life so far! |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2011 at 12:34am
Well since I am a John Deere and Allis man I gotta say something.....lol. I have never seen an A or B blow a head gasket when it was installed correctly.....I have 3 A's myself.....haven't ever seen A's pushing 50+ HP blow a head gasket either. The clutch linkage is very very simple and easy to fix the areas that wear out. Not all styled tractors had weak frames b/c not all styled tractors have pressed steel frames......and I've never had a problem with the JD Power-trol.......John Deere just must not like you.....lol. |
Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 8:04am
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Wide fronts under the 180-185-190s were too weak...... ------------- Making a living farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 8:50am
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at one of the local shows I watch a guy hook up a wagon to a JD720, looked awkward at best but he got close and luckily the wagon hitch had one of those extenders that the ground guy was able to slide out and hook up. I found out that IH 300 Utility steering boxes are junk AC had weak brakes on a lot of tractors series. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 10:14am
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I've been following this topic over on rpm as well. I have been around AC, JD, & IH as a kid growing up on the farm, then worked in 2 different White dealers. they all have their issues! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 10:58am
| I wonder where some of this is coming from, 7000 series short engine life?? Not something I have expierenced, the 7080-7580 had crank problems but it wasnt caused by a bad engine the crank was overhardened and made the ends brittle, common sence would tell you when the crank breaks the nose off its not a engine power problem there is no hp other than acc. drive on the front of the engine, now if the rear broke now thats an engine issue.Tranny problems, we have seen tractors with 20,000+ hrs that had no tranny issues, if your going to grind gears and not keep the fluid levels correct any brand is going to have an issue. The early 7000 series had cable breaking problems the later 7000 and all 8000 had HD cables so that isnt an issue they just needed to be updated, and adjusted properly. The AC tranny and rearend combo was one of the most bullet proof combos made.The front ends on 180-190 tractors were weak? Where? You cant find a IH where the whole front end isnt all wobbled out and broke, any JD 10-20 series if it had a loader on the knees were broke off the bolster, and rewelded, and alot that didnt have a loader on were broke, when was the last time you seen a knee on the AC broke, Ive never seen it, the back ends have been broke or cracked but there again no body greased it the pins are all slopped out and when you go threw a hole its getting a sudden jolt, tighten them up with new pin and grease them and they will last forever.Not saying AC didnt have flaws, but in comparison to the others on the market they were as tough as elephant nails!!!! |
Posted By: Steve M
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 12:23pm
| I'm guessing that Dick L has a lemon for a wife also:) |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 1:25pm
| Well put Kcgrain Trannys are still made that way in vehicles today they just have sycronizers so they don't gring and they say there was less hp loss through that style. I just haven't had the problems that have been stated. It took my buddy 3 parts H's(IH)to find enuff unbroken gears to fix his and it still jumps out of 5th. I've got a 930 case I got cheap because of a tranny problem that left it dead in the field the guy was told it needed split to fix and the local caseih dealer said it cost more than it's worth. I seen a 4010 deere torn apart with a broken pinion gear etc. |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 1:32pm
| Seems kinda funny that all you die hard Allis Chalmers guys know alot about the "other brand"? |
Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 1:41pm
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What was the point of the proving grounds
at these places then? ( AC, JD, IH, MM) whatever... I think these companies all
had the intentions of building and selling a top notch machine. Maybe a few
here and there had flaws. BUT that goes for anything you buy! People saying how
AC tractors are notorious for jumping out of gear... WHEN? Now or back in 1959
when the D14 came out? If there was a problem there was more than likely some
memo sent out by AC to dealers and the owners stating the problem and how they
were going to fix it. Same goes for things like cars now days. If you look at
the gear problem from today's stand point...it is useless. That tractor is 50
years old; something is eventually going to go out on it from the wear and
tear. I have read how some people have never had problems either! So it also
goes to show that it is how the machine was handled by previous owners before
you got it. I think tractors were built tough and competitively
------------- "Better By Design" |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 1:55pm
Must have a broken fish pole. Whipped out the hook and it took all that time to get a bite. (:^D
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Posted By: Josh Day
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 4:25pm
| What about CASE? |
Posted By: Josh Day
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 7:13pm
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bump
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Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 7:23pm
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case --can,t afford something else
a-c quit making 2 cyls. in 1930 took john deere 30 yrs to figure that out
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Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 7:44pm
| mr.tucker said it all.99% of the troubles are usually attributed to misuse.i have 11 wd 45,s gas and diesel.none of them jump out of gear or have any gear rumble.one of the issues i have found on the tractors was it seems that no one would take the time or effort to service the oil bath air cleaner.i have had to chisel the dirt and chaff out of some of them.the main reason for transmission problems were operators shifting gears with the hand clutch.YOU DONT DO THAT.no matter what some people say and do.i am in my mid 70 s and have been around and operated several brands and various models.the old wd-wd45 was a tough and well built machine for its day.i know they made us a good living on the farms back in ths 1950 s... |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 7:44pm
Yes. After MTD took over. My 2009 lasted a year. heard nothing but complaints about them.
------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: Todd AL
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 8:15pm
Why do you think they switched to Allis?
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Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 8:23pm
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Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 9:01pm
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I agree with some of the other post all companies have their flaws. None of them were perfect. I personally like Allis-Chalmers and John Deere and I own both brands. I don't really care for Farmall or Oliver.......but I am not saying they are bad.....I see to many people that have them and have great success with them. Any tractor that can survive for over 50yrs is a good tractor. The old ones will always be around....all the new stuff will go to the scrap yard when its wore out. |