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Farrell(Utah) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Springville, Ut Points: 555 |
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If these become available, I would like two that fit a WD45.
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A(1937), 2 G, 2 WD45 diesels, 6 WD45 gas, UC, 2 WD, D17 gas, WF, Farmall 400, D12, Kubota B3030
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8509 |
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That muffler won't fit if you do a"restoration"
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Pat the Plumber CIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Springfield,Il Points: 4879 |
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I believe the earlier round Nelson mufflers are available now . It is the oval ones that are not being produced by Nelson. I bought one from Rick Corder,Mo. a few years ago |
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Clay ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 9712 |
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Price of the round Nelson mufflers for a D-17?
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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I've got some dimensions from a 180/185 OEM muffler. Total overall height is 36 inches. A 15 inch tailpipe, a 3 inch inlet pipe and an 18 inch main body. The outlet pipe is 2 1/4" I.D. and the inlet pipe is 2 3/8" I.D. I'll try and get a D-17 series 4 muffler measurement tomorrow. I do know for sure that the tailpipe on the S-3 and S-4 is smaller in diameter than the 170-175. I think it's 1 7/8" while the 170-175 are 2 inches.
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1726 |
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The WD45 gas & diesel and early D17 Nelson mufflers are still available. This muffler (pn 229531) fits WD45 gas/diesel tractors and D17 gas tractor up to serial #24001. I sell this muffler for $135 + shipping. Like Pat said another member Rick Corder has them also. Rick is in Missouri, I am in Wisconsin, so Rick would be closer to you in KS. edit-added pic Edited by Alex09(WI) - 07 Dec 2019 at 5:00pm |
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1726 |
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Thanks for getting some original measurements Dr! I will add that to my notes! From my research I believe the original D17 outlet pipe is 7.75" long and has an O.D. of 1 5/8". The original 170/175 gas mufflers outlet pipe is 15 3/8" long and has an O.D of 1 7/8" (Thank you GreenOrange for 170 specs). Will wait to see if your measurements confirm the late D17 gas muffler sizes. I don't have any D17d/D19 specs so if someone has those I will be interested to hear them. Would be awesome if D15d/D17d and D19gas/diesel were the same or similar, I could combine those into the same run of 100.
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34224 |
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Alex, is that muffler for the WD45/D17 straight thru and blocked/baffled? Just wondering because I have seen them both ways just don't remember what brands they were.
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The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8509 |
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Nelson 45 is straight through...at least mine is
Edited by SteveM C/IL - 07 Dec 2019 at 7:42pm |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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That is a 180/185 muffler.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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I measured the D-17 S-4 I grew up on, and it is the same 18 inch oval body as a 180/185. The inlet is 2 1/2" tall and 2 inch O.D. and the offset outlet is 7 inches tall and 1 1/2" I.D. or 1 5/8" O.D. , which makes overall height 27.5 inches.
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1726 |
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THE NELSON MUFFLERS ARE COMING!!! I decided to go with mufflers for the late D17 gas tractors ser#42000+. These are the original style with offset outlet. The 3rd pic in JC(WI)'s post on the first page shows what these mufflers will look like. Dr Allis's post above states the dimensions. And, wait it gets better! My estimated price above was $200 per muffler, but these will be only $157 per muffler!!!!!!! :) I will post an add in the classifieds with more details for those who want these for their D17 gassers. I would like to thank those who responded and voiced their opinions. Getting that input helped me to decide in what direction I will go with these mufflers. This run will be the D17 oval gas muffler only. If this goes well, I would like to order another Nelson muffler run for a different model tractor, perhaps the D15 or D17 diesel muffler or the 170/175 gas muffler (which is slightly different than this D17 one). Please give me your feedback on which Nelson muffler I should try next!
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Clay ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 9712 |
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How difficult would it be to convert the sheet metal on a Series I and II D-17, to accept the oval muffler used on Series III & IV?
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JayIN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Location: SE/IN Points: 1982 |
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Sabre saw with a metal blade.
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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A true series 1 uses the same muffler as a WD45, so there is no pipe on the exhaust manifold for the oval muffler to slide on to. A true series 2 does have a pipe and the oval hole in the hood is all it should take. The oval muffler inlet is "on-center" so the marking out of the oval hole is easy.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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That sounds a little barbaric IMO
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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Then, how would you cut an oval hole into a D-17 hood ??
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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I wouldn't. Would be like the guys blasting 10 inch holes in their diesel pick-up truck beds behind the cab to I "guess" look cool. Again, JMO. I must admit though, what is "wrong" with the available round muffler ??
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53415 |
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I'd prolly make a good template, and use a sheet metal nibbler, them hoods is right thick...
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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The oval muffler was quieter than any round muffler with minimal to zero power loss. If you ran an oval muffler 8 hrs on a disc or a plow, you appreciated the benefit over the round muffler.
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8631 |
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Our early 17 has an oval muffler. I'll ask dad if gramp cut the hole or who did. Guess the governor went screwy and over revved and broke crank. Both my gramp and great uncle aren't with us anymore so I can't ask how it exactly happened. It was back when allis was still, and gramp got a new engine from allis which made it a latter exhaust manifold.
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AllisFreak MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1574 |
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Back to the original subject of this post, Great job by Alex convincing Nelson to produce another round of the elusive original D17 oval mufflers. One question for you Alex; I assume they will be painted black as were the originals?
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 34224 |
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Alex, what happened to your first diagram picture? Was kinda hoping the 170 would have been the chosen muffler and the height of the exhaust pipe could be cut off to desired length. But a fellow could slip another pipe over if he really wanted to get the ex. up higher. Lonn, I wouldn't use a torch, that would warp the metal... but a plasma cutter would maybe do the job in a sweet order, providin the hand is steady.
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He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8631 |
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Yes jd your right, sorry for getting off track. Like said that is assume to get them to produce more.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21426 |
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The 170/175 muffler outlet is not only longer, but it is larger in diameter over the D-17 S-3/4 muffler.
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1726 |
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Yes, the paperwork from the company states: FINISH: O-02497 BLACK PAINT
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Alex09(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1726 |
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JC- I deleted my sketched drawings because I had used measurements off the stanley mufflers and they are not the same as the Nelson measurements. Although I didn't choose the 170/175 gas muffler for this run, I am leaning toward ordering that one next, unless a different muffler would be in higher demand.
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cottonpatch ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2010 Location: VIRGINIA Points: 285 |
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I’m in on a 170/175 gas muffler, and 185 muffler when you get to that point.
Edited by cottonpatch - 11 Jan 2020 at 2:00pm |
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'52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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But yet my question pertaining to the OP'S topic (thanks DR for the round/oval muffler decibles) is WHY the need for the NELSON MUFFLER ????
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