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Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 7:20pm |
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Have an 8070 with 38 in centers. The number cast into them is 265651. They are near 3 in thick and about as big around as the center. Does anyone know what they weigh? Only one per side and fluid in inner tires. Think it's a little light for tillage and may want to add some weight. TIA
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Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 8:24pm |
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I think I have similar ones that are supposed to be about 450# each. I'd have to look at the numbers to see.
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Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 10:31pm |
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I think that is a 250 lb weight...should have 2-3 per (inner) wheel depending if you have long axles with cast centers in the duals. Then two should be enough.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 10:44pm |
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Long axles,hub mount pressed steel duals...probably 3? It is just 2wd.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 7:15am |
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400 lbs each
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Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 7:21am |
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So is there 2 different size inner weights?
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Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 8:15am |
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There are some that are like double of the 400 pounders. There are also some made for 32 inch wheels versus 38 inch wheels. I've installed two 400's on the inside of each rear wheel on 7060 tractors for 1600 lbs of cast iron, plus full fluid in the rear 20.8 x 38 tires, which was another 1,100 lbs per tire..
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Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 9:22am |
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Gee wizz that seems like alot of added weight to a heavy tractor already !
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Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 8:57pm |
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op manual says it weighs 16700 as base model....the formula of 130lb per HP says it needs to weigh 22100. My fluid,rear and front weights should be around 4000lb. Still a couple thousand light by that . I think I weighed it in 09 when I got it ...but I have CRS. It was a planting tractor when I got it. Need to weigh splits and see where it's at.
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 6:37am |
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Not sure how the Op manual comes up with that 16,700 lbs number. Nebraska Test #1167 says the tractor weighs 13,990 lbs with an operator sitting in the seat. Rear tires are 20.8 x 38's with 20.8 x 38's factory duals !!!! and 14L x 16's on the front. No other ballast whatsoever. Power Director transmission.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 1:05pm |
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Well,for sure it needs weighed to start with and go from there. My 220 is at 15500 with some fluid in 30.5s and I seem to remember this weighing close to same as is. Like I said been too many years. Works okay in dry dirt but does scoot some dirt. When things get a little wet I think it could use more weight to help it stick but I'm no expert.
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 2:24pm |
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Or you could put on a set of radials. It’s only money.
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 3:03pm |
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Ok, just keeping track of the post- did Allis recomend added weight ? As someone said 130 hp per hp,, seems alot of stress on componats, but could be, why not build them heavier ?
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 4:03pm |
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Build in more weight ?? Then, the tractor costs more. A lighter base tractor is generally more preferred because then you can tailor it to what you want to use it for. Best examples I can give is a WD45 was rated at 43 PTO HP and came from West Allis with factory rear fluid and weighed right at 4300 lbs. It would normally pull a 3 x 14's plow at that weight. Need more weight for your farm?? ADD IT ON YOURSELF !!! Similarly a D-17 gas was 53 PTO HP and came from West Allis with rear fluid right at 5300 to 5500 lbs and would easily handle 3 x 16's or 4 x 14's. Need more weight for your farm?? ADD IT ON !!
I've always said at least 100 lbs per PTO HP. Some say more and that's up to them. I say 100 lbs MINIMUM for plowing.
Edited by DrAllis - 19 Dec 2021 at 4:04pm
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 5:23pm |
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I completely understand that - but you always see guys adding tons of weight on machines- intented to do field work , 4000 + from factory ,
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Posted: 19 Dec 2021 at 9:05pm |
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Chuck,it's got radials. (18.4) Firestones inside and Goodyears that came on inside now as duals. I got the 130lb from inet tractor ballast websites. It's got more hp than factory but I don't want to tie it down tight so will use factory #'s for weighting purposes. Only pull 26ft cultivator and 9 shank Soil Saver.
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Posted: 20 Dec 2021 at 10:18am |
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I've got my 7045 weighing 110 pounds per horsepower. Was a nice improvement from when I got it, must've been 90-something.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2021 at 1:54pm |
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Sooo....I went to the elevator today and it weighs 19000 lb with frt axle at 4420. No frt weights which I have 14 of in shed. It is closer to recommendations than I thought. Maybe 2 more of those 400# inner rears would be about right and stick a few of the suitcase weights on?
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Posted: 30 Dec 2021 at 5:54pm |
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An honest question, how do the inner weights get installed ? Are they installed on the wheel while on the tractor, or is the wheel assembly removed off of the axle for the weights to be installed ? Thanks
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Posted: 30 Dec 2021 at 7:01pm |
Creston, I'm thinking more like 40 cents a pound on big weights like that. Guess it depends on how bad you need them.
Edit; Thought this was Creston's thread, sorry.
Edited by IBWD MIke - 30 Dec 2021 at 7:14pm
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Posted: 30 Dec 2021 at 9:31pm |
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An honest question, how do the inner weights get installed ? Are they installed on the wheel while on the tractor, or is the wheel assembly removed off of the axle for the weights to be installed ? Thanks |
You have to remove center from axle and bolt weight to inside.
Edited by SteveM C/IL - 30 Dec 2021 at 9:31pm
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Posted: 30 Dec 2021 at 9:58pm |
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Guys I dont know how much those dang inner weights weigh, I know they are a royal pain in the seat when the nuts come off and they drop down and break off the valve stem that was on the inside of the rim. I was by myself, got blocking and jack under the weight and was able to get it bolted back in place. Then put a new tube in the tire and refilled it with fluid. I was a sticky mess before I got that dang tire fixed. Guys it was on a JD tractor.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2021 at 10:03pm |
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Hope you charged for the aggravation Tom.
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