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    Posted: 24 Dec 2012 at 4:01pm
Hi guys, thought we should post up our latest restoration project. This would be an HD5B #15138 (1952) w/ ATECO DOZER (American Tractor Equipment Corp) Model BH-HD5B #5050 and CARCO winch Model E #10291. My brother Dave and his son Kirk picked this up one week ago traveling to S.WA. from N.Ca.,appox. 1300 mi. round trip in bad weather, drove 50 miles out of the way to avoid chaining up and still saw snow at sea level from Coos Bay,Or. to Cresent City, Ca. (but that's what AC tractor collectors do for there hobby stuff).It's been sitting for some time with probably steering clutch issues. The Core family that we acquired it from are the original owners and we are hoping to get some more past history as time goes on. We have lots of parts and pieces for HD5s, but this is a perfect specimen with louvered engine covers (also the farthest we have traveled for an AC tractor) 



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Hard to imagine a intact little guy like this just sitting and rusting away quietly, good catch Mel!!
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Love the truck and trailer, love the wheel loader, love the HD5. Tracks look really good, is it a runner? Nice score, Trev.
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Tracks look in good shape. Looked nice and tight when unloading. Is the ROPS manufactured or is that a home made setup. What engine does this one have?
Yea, I can fix that.....
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ROPS ? brush guard would be what this would be called. All the mount points are on thin metal areas of machine. 2-71 is the engine used stock. have seen these machines with ford flathead and other such engines, but a 2-71 will do a lot of work and pinch fuel.
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ROPS  Roll Over Protection System
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AC Mel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2012 at 7:33pm
Thank, for the nice comments guys. The engine was still running when it was parked for ,we think a steering clutch problem, but it's been awhile. The truck is one of our precast septic tank delivery trucks (you know are day job) and it's more fun draggin ACs around than setting septic tanks (doesn't pay as well though). As Coke said it still has the original 271 Detroit. The canopy or ROPS as it appears were all after market or home made back then. It was up to the dealers to do that. When you bought an HD5 new it was just a tractor unless it was the loader version. The blades were all aftermarket also. AC used Carco, Baker, Garwood and ATECO to name a few.
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Why I said ROPS ? is back then there was no such thing - brush guard or sun roof - yes but that pipe on the machine is all anchored on sheet steel not to the machine frame or solid structure. 
 ROPS needs to be designed to support the weight of the machine - and tested and certified. 
 Tracto-Motive made the loader version the G series loader for AC -until AC bought them out . All the other attachments were certified by AC to be used on the machine but not supplied by AC - so configuration of the dozers was a mix of companies supplying different designs from cable units to hydraulic. 
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Does anyone have a set of sprocket and idler guards for an HD-5B? 
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great fine, hope to see it after you finish the restore, thanks for sharing
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HI MEL Smile , JUST SIGNED THE AC FORM TO CHAT W/ YOU. GUESS I`M A OLE QUALIFIED AC JUNKEE.... LIL 5 IS ALL DRESSED UP FOR  PACIFIC NO.WEST  LOGGING COUNTRY....IF ONLY THE NOISY LIL BUG-ER COULD TELL IT`S  PAST .  IT IS A LIL SWEET HEART FOR DAM SURE..... AS I THINK BACK ON YOUR GETTING THE LIL 5 ...I SHOULD HAVE LOADED MY PICK UP W/ 12G MISC. & MET YOU AT I-5 & EXIT 88 (HWY 12 )..... MEL, ALSO STILL KEEP IN TOUCH BY E-MAIL.  JERRY K
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What a find! Looks like they had just replaced the rails and sprockets when they parked it. 
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The HD5 was purchased by my grandfather, Frank Core, in the late 1940s (I think). They used it to finish logging a bunch of old growth fir on his farm near Mossyrock, WA. The timber had been cut about 10 years earlier but hadn't been bucked into logs because the deal with the logger went haywire.
They bought the HD5 at McKinnel Tractor in Chehalis, Washington.  As far as I know, it was equipped as you see it now.  
My father, Calvin Core, learned to operate it while he was in high school and went on to become a professional cat skinner (among other things) running D8s and similar sized Terex dozers at the Centralia steam plant.
I didn't run it much when I was growning up. After dad died in 1994, I used it enough to realize I wasn't very good with a dozer and didn't have the patience to learn.  I would much rather run farm tractors, something I have many hours of experience doing.  
Sometime around 1997, my mom's second husband was using it and the steering clutches on one side failed. It had to be towed back with the 1959 JD 430 tractor we had on the farm.  It ran when it was parked and had just had the top end rebuilt.
I will ask my dad's two sisters if they remember any more details about when it was purchased or how it was equipped.
I'm pleased that Mel and Dave now have it and that it will be repaired, and enjoyed.  My dad and grandfather really liked it and it was difficult to see it sit in disrepair.  It just wasn't cost effective to pay a mechanic to get it fixed.  By the way, the same thing happened with the '59 JD 430 tractor.  I now have a small diesel 4X4 tractor and it is far better for what I need.
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just got a ts-5/hd-5 crawler bucket dozer!! I need transmission! any one know where I can get one!! put a motor in it!! 271 GM/ Detroit. like to get this tranny redone or get another used for old girl !! any help! thxs!! pm me treedog2@yahoo.com with any info!!Clap
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I have a complet transmission for HD5 but you better removed yours maybe you just need a gear or a bearing and am 'T shipping heavy parts because cust to much for heavy parts
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FYI,we probably have a HD5 transmission we could part with, but I agree with Hector, what do you really need?  There's a whole bunch of moving parts to what may be a problem or not.

  Also I'm glad you were able to find this old post. I can't find a lot of my old posts, I guess they went to AC cyberspace
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Mel, have you finished that HD5?  Seems like I remember seeing pictures of it but then again, you guys have been working on several machines in the last few years.
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John, If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure this is it. Their restored HD6 just behind it.


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Sure looks nice, great job
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dang those look nice!!! got another tranny!! the lady I got mine from had one there he husband had it for this HD-5!! gears and all were good . replace 1 bearing ! no teeth broke off!! thxs! guys!!
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Hard to believe it's the same machine!  What a great restoration, I'm sure the Cole family is happy they let you have the machine.
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hey guys got trouble with my hd-5 ! it want turn right when I pull the stick!! I also apply the rite brake at same time!! but it want turn!!! any suggestions!! thxs
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With the motor running master clutch engaged transmission in gear disengage both steering clutches. Note the direction it turns, the opposite steering clutch is locked up. If it goes straight both are locked up. If it stops both steering clutches are disengaging properly.
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Dozer not sure but I think the rite side is not disgaging when I pull back on stick just goes strait!! how can I get it freed!! been siting for a few yrs!!! thxs!!
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You need to make sure of adjustments,and linkages are free first.
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WELL NOW I HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE!!! LOL!! IAM IN NEED OF A RITE FRONT IDLER WITH BEARINGS AND SHAFT AND ALL TOGETHER!!! ANY BODY HAVE ANY THAT IS IN GOOD SHAPE! THXS FOR HD-5G
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I have (4) Allis crawlers. They are great machines, but they need to be used, greased and kept inside. Most of these machines were parked for a reason. The front idler you mentioned is the why. The stuck clutches are the result of the machine exposed to the elements. Good luck.
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Mel you wouldn't by chance have a front idler laying around !!! Hd-5g need one !!thxs or anyone else!!
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which idlers will interchange with the HD-5 ?
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Treegog: You may find an idler at General Gear in Boise, ID or Norcon in Spokane.
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