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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

Yep! I knew you weren't poking. Many people don't know what a Stillson is, so you're not alone! It's kind of like a Crescent wrench. It's just a brand. Stillson=pipe wrench, Crescent=adjustable wrench.

Even in Oklahoma I've experienced different terms for brushhog. In NW OK, it's a beater. In the SW it's a shredder. In central OK it's a brushhog or a bush hog. Lol
I have a grandpa in the SW, a grandpa in the NW, and all my friends here in the central region. I have to make sure and use the right term for the region I'm in, or no one understands what I'm saying! LOL

Reminds me when Gilbert Vust would refer to the "Oklahoma Ratchet".  It was a Crescent wrench.  LOL

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My entire life I was told to "Go get the green handled pump pliers".

I think I was in high school before I heard the brand Channel Locks.
The mechanic always wins.

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Originally posted by littlemarv littlemarv wrote:

My entire life I was told to "Go get the green handled pump pliers".

I think I was in high school before I heard the brand Channel Locks.
Me too! 
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Never having run a combine, exactly what happens when you plug the cylinder on an All Crop? Does the belt smoke, or is there a slip clutch, or snub the tractor?
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Originally posted by littlemarv littlemarv wrote:

Never having run a combine, exactly what happens when you plug the cylinder on an All Crop? Does the belt smoke, or is there a slip clutch, or snub the tractor?
Sometimes a clutch will slip on the PTO driveline, but usually it stalls the tractor. 
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[QUOTE=WD45]The rod - short one was used to turn the cylinder over when one plugged the cylinder. You opened the side door behind the cylinder and pulled as much straw out of the cylinder while turning the cylinder back and forth until the cylinder was freed up.[/QUOTE




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and it was a nasty job when it was HOT!
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Originally posted by shameless (ne) shameless (ne) wrote:

and it was a nasty job when it was HOT!
Worse than being under a Gleaner on a hot day getting covered in all the dust/straw/chaff as it falls on you? 
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Originally posted by KY poorboy KY poorboy wrote:

I didn't have my stick out doing any pokin. I honestly have never heard that term before. I figured that was what it was, but just wanted to know. It amazes me how many different areas have different names for things. As I was growing up in poor ole KY, they were called monkey wrenches. I just call em pipe wrenches.
When I started farming and looking for equipment, it made me no difference how far I went to get a good deal, so I looked everywhere. It took me a while to figure out what folks way down south called a "harrow". Here we just call it a disk. A harrow to me is a spike tooth drag, or something similar. Sooo,,, I was just curious. LOL


I'd never heard "Stillson wrench" before either. Google / wiki is awesome! lol Monkey wrench is like a pipe wrench, but smooth jaws instead of serrated. At least that's the way it was in Grandpa's workshop in MI.

Harrow, well, we had a bunch of old operator manuals or books on various things we had. The books titled like "disc harrow" "spike harrow" "spring tooth harrow". Seems anything that moves dirt without rolling it all the way must be a harrow....'cept a cultivator? In Canada, they have heavy harrows, light harrows....

This conversation is a harrowing experience

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 Well you guys did pretty good. I thought you would get the tool #1 but not tool #2. I need to make it harder. 
 Tool #1 to turn the cylinder backwards to unplug.
Tool #2 to raise and lower the side hood.
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Is that 2nd pic on an early 66 or a 60? My 60A's don't have any kind of loop for the hook. 

I figured that slug bar would be longer! Give you more leverage! 
The one I have (In case I ever have to use it) is about 5' long, and and inch in diameter that tapers on the end, to fit in the cylinder shaft hole. Needless to say, it's not Allis! LOL


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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

Is that 2nd pic on an early 66 or a 60? My 60A's don't have any kind of loop for the hook. 

I figured that slug bar would be longer! Give you more leverage! 
The one I have (In case I ever have to use it) is about 5' long, and and inch in diameter that tapers on the end, to fit in the cylinder shaft hole. Needless to say, it's not Allis! LOL

 The combine in the picture is a 60A. 
Parts book says prior to S/N 69101.

I have yet to plug one so not sure how much pressure is needed to turn backwards.
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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:

I have yet to plug one so not sure how much pressure is needed to turn backwards.
Ask anybody that ran a pull type at Hutch in 2015! I think I was the only one who never slugged, but I could be wrong. 
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 Was it wet last year?
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      Creston.......there is a (cough,cough) slip clutch, (cough). Dennis my man, I have been wondering ever since you posted the pictures, and since I am around Allcrops everyday , where were the tools stored on the combine ? Ryan searched the machine shed tonight looking for the slugger bars. The hood hook had to store on the combine as well ? I remembered the slug bar on the "E" being mounted on the side of the elevator .
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Originally posted by Auntwayne Auntwayne wrote:

      Creston.......there is a (cough,cough) slip clutch, (cough). Dennis my man, I have been wondering ever since you posted the pictures, and since I am around Allcrops everyday , where were the tools stored on the combine ? Ryan searched the machine shed tonight looking for the slugger bars. The hood hook had to store on the combine as well ? I remembered the slug bar on the "E" being mounted on the side of the elevator .
 They just sat on top of the cylinder housing behind tailings spout.
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Long time ago when my grandfather combined with his 66 we used the long rod to poke the bridged oats out of the hopper.
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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:

Originally posted by Auntwayne Auntwayne wrote:

      Creston.......there is a (cough,cough) slip clutch, (cough). Dennis my man, I have been wondering ever since you posted the pictures, and since I am around Allcrops everyday , where were the tools stored on the combine ? Ryan searched the machine shed tonight looking for the slugger bars. The hood hook had to store on the combine as well ? I remembered the slug bar on the "E" being mounted on the side of the elevator .
 They just sat on top of the cylinder housing behind tailings spout.
Nothing held them down? 

Also...off topic, but while we're talking about mystery objects...do your combines have those 2 angle iron brackets on top of the separator? One is about 7" long, and the other almost as long as the width of the separator. Mine have them, and I saw a couple at Hutch too, but no one knows what they're for! 
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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:

 Was it wet last year?
Yes. I believe there was a half inch of rain one of the nights of the show, but we could still get in the field, so the show went on! 
The grain was so soft, it barely had any crunch when you bit it.
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CrestonM wrote:
Nothing held them down? 

 Just gravity Creston.
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     Dennis, there is no way in the world that Allis engineers did not devise a storage place for these two metal tools. I can bet the farm that customers were not told to just toss them on top of the cylinder cover and hope that you do not ever hit a ground hog hole or large wash out. Two long pieces of metal riding "loose" so that either one or both would run through the cylinder. Ryan and myself had just enough time tonight to look over the 66 for possible lock downs, nothing. There has to be some info or brochure out there. Saying that, I am surprised that I have never seen either tool on a used Allcrop ????
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that's the same place ours was stored too....nothing to hold them there cept their own weight. never had either one ever bounce out
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    I just have a very hard time with the dealer or who ever saying "here are some extra tools that you will need, just throw them up there".  Maybe that is why no one has ever seen the (mystery tools) again.
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Those tools set were placed above the cylinder and never fell out on our combine. My sister and I would sit on the deck with our feet sitting over the cylinder were these tools set and we would ride by the hour watching the grain coming up the canvas on the 60 then 66.
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   Can not believe that any one else would be crazy/foolish enough to sit up there. I did it for several hours filming Ryan's restored 72. Thank god OSHA wasn't around.
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Originally posted by Auntwayne Auntwayne wrote:

   Can not believe that any one else would be crazy/foolish enough to sit up there. I did it for several hours filming Ryan's restored 72. Thank god OSHA wasn't around.
I'd be  scared doing that, knowing one chuck hole could throw me onto the canvas! Yikes!!
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Originally posted by Auntwayne Auntwayne wrote:

    I just have a very hard time with the dealer or who ever saying "here are some extra tools that you will need, just throw them up there".  Maybe that is why no one has ever seen the (mystery tools) again.

 They will not fall out. That part of the housing is curved back towards the walker area and there is angle iron on the front side so they can't go forward.
 I pulled All-Crops down the road at around 50 mph (when I have a clear line of sight) and a combines will bounce a lot but the tools just ride with the machine. The combine does not bounce as bad when in the field.  I can't say that I ever hit a hole in the field yet but I have hit bumps in the road that made the unload auger unhook and swing down and the tools all made it home.


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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:

 but I have hit bumps in the road that made the unload auger unhook and swing down 
Yep...that surprised me the first time it happened!
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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:

 but I have hit bumps in the road that made the unload auger unhook and swing down 
Yep...that surprised me the first time it happened!

 The first thing I do after hitching the combine behind the truck is tie up the auger.
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Originally posted by DennisA (IL) DennisA (IL) wrote:


 I pulled All-Crops down the road at around 50 mph (when I have a clear line of sight)

I guess they're the ones with wheel bearings? 
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