Guess What The Tools Are For
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Topic: Guess What The Tools Are For
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Subject: Guess What The Tools Are For
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 8:17pm
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I came across a couple of AC tools and just wondered how many of you guys know what they are used for. Please feel free to post your thoughts. Tuesday I will post the answers. Thanks for playing.
1st tool http://s161.photobucket.com/user/caallis/media/Parts/IMG_08661_zpsrsdrwn8g.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  2nd Tool http://s161.photobucket.com/user/caallis/media/Parts/IMG_08671_zpsilgiebiy.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 8:21pm
| Are they for a All Crop combine?? Ryan |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 8:25pm
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I say All-Crop related. Top one looks like a slug bar.
Bottom looks like a rod used to break up grain that sticks in the hopper. A buddy has rods that look exactly like that on both his L3 and M2. I need to make some for my All-Crops. Combining some damp Milo last year, it plugged the bin at the very last when unloading. Being safe, I shut off the tractor PTO first, then I almost had to crawl all the way in the bin, head first, to get it loosened up. Not too fun. |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 8:46pm
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Bottom one is for raising the straw hood on an all crop. ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:10pm
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That bottom one looks like what is used for raising the dock plates at a freight loading dock. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: EricPA
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:13pm
Or a fifth wheel puller ------------- Life is tough,but it's tougher when you're stupid. - John Wayne |
Lars(wi) wrote:Posted By: Dale Hardtke
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:14pm
| 1st one---- To adjust wide front on D series tractors |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:43pm
| I had a #2 one made, was real handy to help unplug green stem beans outta the beater on my "K" combine. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:08am
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#1 looks like the pokers that Shameless makes.....only it's not pointed enough.
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:45am
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I KNOW, I KNOW! but I'm sworn to secrecy. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:42am
| lol...that's just a dull one (used a lot) mine are sharper and longer now! |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:29pm
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The rod is for the chopper hood. Need to get one, have never seen one with any combine before. Thanks for posting Dennis.
PS, I always used a rope if Ryan wasn't around. Duane
------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:39pm
Don't guess I understand what you mean. Can you explain?
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Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 8:22pm
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Creston, there is a hole or a notch on the left side of the hood if you are standing on top of the combine, it is on the bottom of the hood. When standing over the hood, the hooked rod grabs (hooks) it and you pull it up all by yourself. The only ones that I have ever seen before today are in the set up manuals.
PS, I will send you a picture tomorrow.
------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 9:38pm
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Those hooked rods seem like a hard thing to find, not sure how I ended up with two of them. Never knew what they are for, my 66 all crops have a welded loop on the front angle iron, I assume that where you hook the hood to lift? ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:23pm
| Why don't you just flip the hood up when standing on the ground?? Why climb up on top of the combine to do it?? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 11:12pm
| i'm with Creston on that one! that's what we always did, in fact we used the flat steel rod that holds the hood down as a handle to flip it up! Creston....maybe there were to many short people that couldn't do it that way? (designer included) |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 11:33pm
I always use those flat steel rods too! I couldn't see short people climbing up on top of the combine too easily. I always climb on from the back, and at 6'3", it's easy for me, but I don't know how short people would like it. Sometimes it helps to have the combine hooked to a tractor or the back end blocked up. Occasionally the front end will come up when you climb on from the back.
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 4:29am
Yeah Creston.....and YOU are a LIGHT weight compared to a lot of us... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: ac160
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 5:39am
| 2nd one looks like what you use to pull sickles out of a sickle mower with. |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:47am
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The rod - short one was used to turn the cylinder over when one plugged the cylinder. You opened the side door behind the cylinder and pulled as much straw out of the cylinder while turning the cylinder back and forth until the cylinder was freed up. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 8:34am
| that's right 45...there was a hole in that cyl shaft to do that....forgot about that. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 9:11am
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#1, poker #2, hooker 
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Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 12:10pm
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Have them both myself. The pointed one I am guessing to use to unplug the combine. Have a few used ones and a NOS one. The used ones are bent pretty well! lol The second one is to pull the straw hood down on 66s, there's a loop in the hood that the tool slides in. At this current second I don't recall if any other machines had the loop on the straw hood? Jim ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 1:31pm
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Yep, #1 is a slug bar, but ALL the All-Crops I've seen have Stillson wrench teeth marks on the cylinder shafts! Like Jim said, the ones that came with the combines probably got bent up! |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 2:31pm
| Creston, what is a Stillson wrench? |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 2:50pm
Now listen here young whippersnapper, that's what we called 'em when I was a young'un, way back in 1935, yup. Nowadays y'all refer to them as pipe wrenches! I threw that in there to see how many people would ask what a Stillson was lol Grandpa still has an old one with a wood handle that has "Stillson" stamped on it!
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Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 3:08pm
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I didn't have my stick out doing any pokin. I honestly have never heard that term before. I figured that was what it was, but just wanted to know. It amazes me how many different areas have different names for things. As I was growing up in poor ole KY, they were called monkey wrenches. I just call em pipe wrenches. When I started farming and looking for equipment, it made me no difference how far I went to get a good deal, so I looked everywhere. It took me a while to figure out what folks way down south called a "harrow". Here we just call it a disk. A harrow to me is a spike tooth drag, or something similar. Sooo,,, I was just curious. LOL |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 3:14pm
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Yep! I knew you weren't poking. Many people don't know what a Stillson is, so you're not alone! It's kind of like a Crescent wrench. It's just a brand. Stillson=pipe wrench, Crescent=adjustable wrench. Even in Oklahoma I've experienced different terms for brushhog. In NW OK, it's a beater. In the SW it's a shredder. In central OK it's a brushhog or a bush hog. Lol I have a grandpa in the SW, a grandpa in the NW, and all my friends here in the central region. I have to make sure and use the right term for the region I'm in, or no one understands what I'm saying! LOL
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 6:01pm
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Around here, a stillson wrench is like a pipe wrench, but has a locking lever, like vice grips. Rarely use mine on pipes, less'n you absolutely, positively want to egg out the pipe in question. Really good at large stud removal, though...  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001E4IS5U/ref=asc_df_B001E4IS5U4612884?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_273-20;14791683218563274174010090302008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B001E4IS5U" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001E4IS5U/ref=asc_df_B001E4IS5U4612884?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=shopzilla0d-20&ascsubtag=shopzilla_rev_273-20;14791683218563274174010090302008005&linkCode=df0&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B001E4IS5U
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Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 6:27pm
Reminds me when Gilbert Vust would refer to the "Oklahoma Ratchet". It was a Crescent wrench. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: littlemarv
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:19pm
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My entire life I was told to "Go get the green handled pump pliers". I think I was in high school before I heard the brand Channel Locks. ------------- The mechanic always wins. B91131, WC23065, WD89101, CA29479, B1, Early B10, HB212, 416H |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:27pm
Me too!
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Posted By: littlemarv
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:41pm
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Never having run a combine, exactly what happens when you plug the cylinder on an All Crop? Does the belt smoke, or is there a slip clutch, or snub the tractor? ------------- The mechanic always wins. B91131, WC23065, WD89101, CA29479, B1, Early B10, HB212, 416H |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:49pm
Sometimes a clutch will slip on the PTO driveline, but usually it stalls the tractor.
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Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:05pm
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[QUOTE=WD45]The rod - short one was used to turn the cylinder over when one plugged the cylinder. You opened the side door behind the cylinder and pulled as much straw out of the cylinder while turning the cylinder back and forth until the cylinder was freed up.[/QUOTE x2
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:19pm
| and it was a nasty job when it was HOT! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:30pm
Worse than being under a Gleaner on a hot day getting covered in all the dust/straw/chaff as it falls on you?
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:37am
I'd never heard "Stillson wrench" before either. Google / wiki is awesome! lol Monkey wrench is like a pipe wrench, but smooth jaws instead of serrated. At least that's the way it was in Grandpa's workshop in MI. Harrow, well, we had a bunch of old operator manuals or books on various things we had. The books titled like "disc harrow" "spike harrow" "spring tooth harrow". Seems anything that moves dirt without rolling it all the way must be a harrow....'cept a cultivator? In Canada, they have heavy harrows, light harrows.... This conversation is a harrowing experience
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:48pm
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Well you guys did pretty good. I thought you would get the tool #1 but not tool #2. I need to make it harder. Tool #1 to turn the cylinder backwards to unplug. http://s161.photobucket.com/user/caallis/media/60%20All-Crop%20Harvester/IMG_0869_zpsykben6zs.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Tool #2 to raise and lower the side hood. http://s161.photobucket.com/user/caallis/media/60%20All-Crop%20Harvester/IMG_0870_zpsbuhqf8is.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> 
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 5:51pm
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Is that 2nd pic on an early 66 or a 60? My 60A's don't have any kind of loop for the hook. I figured that slug bar would be longer! Give you more leverage! The one I have (In case I ever have to use it) is about 5' long, and and inch in diameter that tapers on the end, to fit in the cylinder shaft hole. Needless to say, it's not Allis!
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:05pm
The combine in the picture is a 60A. Parts book says prior to S/N 69101. I have yet to plug one so not sure how much pressure is needed to turn backwards. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:27pm
Ask anybody that ran a pull type at Hutch in 2015! I think I was the only one who never slugged, but I could be wrong.
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:52pm
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Was it wet last year?
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:45pm
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Creston.......there is a (cough,cough) slip clutch, (cough). Dennis my man, I have been wondering ever since you posted the pictures, and since I am around Allcrops everyday
, where were the tools stored on the combine ? Ryan searched the machine shed tonight looking for the slugger bars. The hood hook had to store on the combine as well ? I remembered the slug bar on the "E" being mounted on the side of the elevator
. ------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 8:00pm
They just sat on top of the cylinder housing behind tailings spout. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 9:31pm
| Long time ago when my grandfather combined with his 66 we used the long rod to poke the bridged oats out of the hopper. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 9:36pm
Nothing held them down? Also...off topic, but while we're talking about mystery objects...do your combines have those 2 angle iron brackets on top of the separator? One is about 7" long, and the other almost as long as the width of the separator. Mine have them, and I saw a couple at Hutch too, but no one knows what they're for!
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 9:37pm
Yes. I believe there was a half inch of rain one of the nights of the show, but we could still get in the field, so the show went on! The grain was so soft, it barely had any crunch when you bit it.
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 9:52pm
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CrestonM wrote: Nothing held them down? Just gravity Creston.
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 7:43pm
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Dennis, there is no way in the world that Allis engineers did not devise a storage place for these two metal tools. I can bet the farm that customers were not told to just toss them
on top of the cylinder cover and hope that you do not ever hit a ground hog hole or large wash out.
Two long pieces of metal riding "loose" so that either one or both would run through the cylinder. Ryan and myself had just enough time tonight to look over the 66 for possible lock downs, nothing. There has to be some info or brochure out there. Saying that, I am surprised that I have never seen either tool on a used Allcrop ???? ------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 7:51pm
| that's the same place ours was stored too....nothing to hold them there cept their own weight. never had either one ever bounce out |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 8:20pm
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I just have a very hard time with the dealer or who ever saying "here are some extra tools that you will need, just throw them up there". Maybe that is why no one has ever seen the (mystery tools) again.
------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 8:36pm
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Those tools set were placed above the cylinder and never fell out on our combine. My sister and I would sit on the deck with our feet sitting over the cylinder were these tools set and we would ride by the hour watching the grain coming up the canvas on the 60 then 66. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:02pm
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Can not believe that any one else would be crazy/foolish enough to sit up there. I did it for several hours filming Ryan's restored 72. Thank god OSHA wasn't around.
------------- Dad always said," If you have one boy, you have a man. If you have two boys, you have two boys". "ALLIS EXPRESS" |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:34pm
I'd be scared doing that, knowing one chuck hole could throw me onto the canvas! Yikes!!
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:40pm
They will not fall out. That part of the housing is curved back towards the walker area and there is angle iron on the front side so they can't go forward. I pulled All-Crops down the road at around 50 mph (when I have a clear line of sight) and a combines will bounce a lot but the tools just ride with the machine. The combine does not bounce as bad when in the field. I can't say that I ever hit a hole in the field yet but I have hit bumps in the road that made the unload auger unhook and swing down and the tools all made it home.
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:44pm
Yep...that surprised me the first time it happened!
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:49pm
The first thing I do after hitching the combine behind the truck is tie up the auger. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 9:53pm
I guess they're the ones with wheel bearings?
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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:07pm
No, just bushings. I use a grease called SuperLube. It's a full synthetic grease that works great. I grease the axles until the grease starts to seep out pass the seal. Than I stop and grease once more after about 10 miles. After that I don't worry about it. I always check the hubs after I get it home to see if they are hot are not. Never found any warm let a loan hot.
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:28pm
I understand Wayne, sounds crazy I know. I have the operators manual, parts manual, service manual and countless sales brochures for all the All-Crops. Not a one shows or says where they go. They should of had a tool box under drag chain on the left side. That would have been handy for tools and parts. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:53pm
| The early ones had a box on the back. The operator's manual was in there, and you could put tools in there too. Their downfall was they didn't have a hole in the bottom, and most rusted out. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:55pm
Really? Wow! What's the furthest you've pulled them fast like that? I may have a camel back 60 to pull about 75 miles sometime in the near future. I believe what you are saying, but I can't believe if this is possible, everyone has always says to keep it 25 or slower.
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 10:56pm
| us kids used to ride up there too...watching the grain come up the canvas....sometimes we'd stand in front of the bin and play with the grain going into the bin. dad said be careful up there...and we were! I guess we weren't to worried about falling in, it would just plug up if we did! lol |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 11:08pm
| Granddad's dad had a MM pull type. As a little kid, granddad's job was to stand on a makeshift platform behind the header and use a pole to keep the auger from gumming up when they got into Canadian thistles. He said looking back now, it's a wonder he never fell in. |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 9:12am
The furthest I've pulled a combine is about 50 miles. Keep in mind you're not going 50 miles an hour the whole way. I slow down at blind curves and hills. The best roads to get on are actually the 4 Lane Highway's where you can camp out in the left-hand lane and leave the header of the combine hanging over the shoulder where it's out-of-the-way . As for the speed 25 is the safe speed. The implement tires are rated for 25 miles an hour. Most of the old combine tires have been replaced with either car or truck tires already. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 9:42am
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Don't forget to put a safety chain on. I have never had one come lose before but if I'm pulling one 75 miles a safety chain is a must.
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 10:53am
| If I end up pulling my camel back, most of the journey will actually be on 4 lane highways. I may make a special hitch for my truck to put the tongue further to the right, so the header won't overhang. |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 7:20pm
You would think that I would have done that by now but I keep putting it off. Some day I'll get it done. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 7:49pm
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I built one of those hitches for towing combines, if any of you wants pictures of it feel free to email me for pictures and measurements. allenmcbride83@gmail.com ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |