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steve(ill) 
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 9:53pm |
Jan. 29, 2021, 12:21 AM UTCBy Paul A. Eisenstein General Motors plans to completely phase out vehicles using internal combustion engines by 2035, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra announced Thursday. The automaker will go completely carbon neutral at all facilities worldwide by 2035. 2040. Barra has frequently touted GM's plan for “an all-electric future,” recently increasing to 30 the number of pure battery-electric vehicles it will launch by the middle of this decade, but this marks the first time the largest Detroit automaker has set a hard target for completely phasing out gas and diesel engines for all light-duty vehicles, including pickups and SUVs. GM is also working on clean technology for heavy-duty trucks. On Wednesday, GM announced it will provide fuel-cell technology for Navistar International Corp. And it is looking for other applications of the hydrogen technology it is developing as part of a joint venture with Honda.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 10:23pm |
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don't think i'll be here to see it! what will they pump thru the pipelines then...acid?
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JohnColo
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Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 2:02am |
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I doubt I'll be around then either. My daughter and husband just got a Tesla model Y, along with the Leaf they've had for a few years. My orchard partner just bought a Chevy Bolt. Everyone likes them so far.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 5:35am |
re: Everyone likes them so far.
Until they get the bill for the new battery pack !!
As for GM...if, IF, they do that, you can be sure of two things, MASSIVE job losses and another bailout from the taxpayers !!
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Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 6:53am |
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john(MI)
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Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 6:22pm |
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They've changed the logo on their headquarters, downtown Detroit, from a blue GM with a blue square around it to close to the same but in all green.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 9:51pm |
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as i mentioned before...i have a neice in CA, they have 3 electric cars. they have solar and wind making their electric that they use and they charge their cars with. i guess their wind genny in big nuff that they are able to sell elec tric back to the power company. and since there are only 2 of them at the house, i spose one car is fully charged in case it's cloudy? i'll prolly still buy one when the prices come down more, not cuz it's the "in" thing, it's cuz no one else around here will have one! i'm still trying to get that $1200. China one. i wonder if they have air conditioning?
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Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 10:11pm |
it’s 13 out. Has anyone taken there batt impact out to work on anything in this weather, dead instantly. Or what about fire, ems, police and ambulance. In the middle of fighting a fire you have to plug into the house your putting out.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 5:41am |
Mz, you'll find out...FAST... they'll be a HUGE list of exemptions to the 'battery only' laws. EMS obvious( including their personal vehicles), 'long haul' delivery trucks,any politician or other government employee and of course any registered demoncrap......
BTW battery cars have heaters for the battery pack ( run off the battery pack) to allow them to run in the cold.
Brother test drove a Ford hybrid(sorry, not good at names..) engine kept coming on though battery was 100%.seems it came on when too hot or too cold ! been dubbed the 'Goldilocks Algorithm'..
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 11:43am |
I wonder how large of battery it will take to power a farm tractor pulling a 6 bottom plow or 20' disk. Imagine combining or baling hay with battery power.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 11:49am |
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Clay then will probaly go back to horses and maybe 20 to keep up with the Jones
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:05pm |
Horses and cattle will be outlawed because they emit greenhouse gasses. 
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 3:06pm |
I need one of them electric motorcycles but I'm keeping the varoom varoom sound box off my banana seat sissy bar bicycle so it will sound cool. All seriousness aside I would like one of the electric off road motorcycles. It would be nice to slip through the woods silently.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 6:10pm |
And low and behold there was a post/topic in the(  ) political section about this VERY scenario happening, yet it was laughed at and deemed LUDICRIS  ??
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Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 10:53pm |
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don't think i'll be here to see it! what will they pump thru the pipelines then...acid? |
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 6:08am |
interesting read... but, since lithiun isn't mined in CA, it's 'ok', right ????
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:18am |
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Them pipelines will be pumping petro to the electro-generation plants to recharge all them electric cars.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 11:14am |
Has anyone done the math?
How many mega watts of power do we have now?
How many more mega watts will it take to flip the transportation fleet to electric?
Where is the difference going to come from?
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 11:49am |
the 'math' gets tricky and complicated but.... consider just GM..... a Bolt has a 60kWh battery in it, take 9hrs [level2] charge ,cost me $15 +- GM sold 2,500,000 cars last year
a MW could recharge 16 cars.. so you need 156,250 MW of power for 10 hrs to recharge the cars again rough numbers but a starting point. what is NEVER,EVER figured into the 'math' is the necessary upgrade to both 'grid' and the households. presuming 1 ecar per house, 2.5million houses need 100 A servcie upgrades( ka-ching..one time cost, though), for every 3 E-car homes, the 'service' transformer HAS to be upgraded (ka-ching !,cost to hydro user...)then the 'feed' infrastructure HAS to be upgraded...that's megabucks !
where does the money come from....the taxpayers and home owners and renters.... there is NO way 'the electric company' willbe forking out a penny for this.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 11:56am |
We have a 1,200 MW nuclear plant near here. So does this mean we are going to need an additional 130 to 150 new nuclear plants (or equivalent) to provide the juice for all these cars?
When was the last time anyone got permission to build a nuclear plant? Can't dam rivers and coal and NG plants are out too?
I don't get it.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 12:53pm |
Its all Unicorns and Fairy Dust, guys ........... you got to see the BIG PICTURE .. 
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 1:11pm |
MW in power generation is per hour, so a 1200mw plant at 10 hours is 12,000mw, x 10 plants is 120,000mw
Currently the nuke here is Bwoken, generator is Bwoken. So discount that as to coal loss and other Fossil Fuel stations, NO Fracking so LITTLE to no CNG to feed hungry turbines and you would need 300 OPERATING wind 4.0+mw plants with a 10-15% backup to rotate machines for maintenance or 330-350 wind turbines at MAX output during the dark of night JUST for the existing sold units, then again MOST Wind Turbines are less than 4mw closer at 2.5mw as the larger they get the more heat they develop and the more hysteresis losses developed Inside the Generator Cores.
Average wind farm is 30-50 plants. NOT enough Area where wind is reasonably consistent to place that many. Distance becomes the Next Gorilla in the Room, where Line loss to Corona and Joule heating becomes a Player, every mile of line adds More reverse flow and resistance to energy delivery. Every Generator has to overcome those losses which adds more power in the generator core and deeper hysteresis loss at the source. For wind power three issues, Turbulence by positioning generators Too Close together, unstable wind speeds as with severe storm gusty winds, and turbulence caused when Sun heat warms the Ground and uplift currents destabilize wind currents. Self Feeding Watermelons.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 1:14pm |
To add;
MUST have some form of Base Load Power Generation, Wind and Solar are and shall forever remain SUPPLEMENTAL Sources, NOT INTENDED as Base Load stations.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 1:35pm |
So we would need 12 to 15 of these 1,200 MW/hr plants just to meed the needs of the GM vehicles? Plus revamping/replacement of the power grid to handle it? And that is just BM.....errrr......GM.
Have also heard about the problems of transporting wind and solar power any distance. Wind blows and sun shines where people aren't. By the time power gets to the population centers, the line loss is monumental.
Good news is half of CA and NY are moving to TX anyway.....so automakers got that goinf for them.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 2:01pm |
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And that is above and beyond the current usage in homes and business EVERY Hour, where an average home uses between 900&2800kwh per month, mean average around 1900kw per month for all homes, where business with any form of mechanization is around 6-8000kwh/mo. Adds up fast where 20 baseload nukes for every state in the US east of KC, 5 to every state west out to CA, Just to cover demand. Not enough time to build. And that includes all the Additional Supplemental Wind and Solar that can be built, JUST to retire Fossil and petroleum based fuels.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 2:06pm |
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So where does the nuke fuel come from? Didn't Hillary sell all ours to the Russians?
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 3:00pm |
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NWT, Canada probably... we sell ALL our natural resources to others for pennies on the Canuck...
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 3:22pm |
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A great deal of Nuke fuel is reprocessed Weapons grade materials that has degraded and is no longer viable in weapons, the U235 is recovered and made into MOX(Mixed Oxide) fuels. TINY amounts of decayed to a lesser value plutonium is interspersed to allow for a hotter reaction and better heat from the cores. Still handle-able by hands until sent thru a reactor cycle.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:22pm |
Michigan does not have a lot of sunshine, we rank 47th out of the 48 continental states. Yet you see solar panels going up. Some call them Solar Farms. To me a Farm is land that produces food.
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Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:29pm |
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you can still get sun rays thru the clouds. i know of some folks that got sunburned even tho it was cloudy at the time. i'm pretty sure that the solar way might not be up to full bore, but should still work.
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