GM Electric Cars
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Topic: GM Electric Cars
Posted By: steve(ill)
Subject: GM Electric Cars
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 9:53pm
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Jan. 29, 2021, 12:21 AM UTC By Paul A. Eisenstein General Motors plans to completely phase out vehicles using internal combustion engines by 2035, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra announced Thursday. The automaker will go completely carbon neutral at all facilities worldwide by Barra has frequently touted GM's plan for “an all-electric future,” recently increasing to 30 the number of pure battery-electric vehicles it will launch by the middle of this decade, but this marks the first time the largest Detroit automaker has set a hard target for completely phasing out gas and diesel engines for all light-duty vehicles, including pickups and SUVs. GM is also working on clean technology for heavy-duty trucks. On Wednesday, GM announced it will provide fuel-cell technology for Navistar International Corp. And it is looking for other applications of the hydrogen technology it is developing as part of a joint venture with Honda. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 10:23pm
| don't think i'll be here to see it! what will they pump thru the pipelines then...acid? |
Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 2:02am
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I doubt I'll be around then either. My daughter and husband just got a Tesla model Y, along with the Leaf they've had for a few years. My orchard partner just bought a Chevy Bolt. Everyone likes them so far. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 5:35am
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re: Everyone likes them so far. Until they get the bill for the new battery pack !! As for GM...if, IF, they do that, you can be sure of two things, MASSIVE job losses and another bailout from the taxpayers !! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 6:53am
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Shameless Fresh Water @ $20 / Gal. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 6:22pm
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They've changed the logo on their headquarters, downtown Detroit, from a blue GM with a blue square around it to close to the same but in all green. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 9:51pm
| as i mentioned before...i have a neice in CA, they have 3 electric cars. they have solar and wind making their electric that they use and they charge their cars with. i guess their wind genny in big nuff that they are able to sell elec tric back to the power company. and since there are only 2 of them at the house, i spose one car is fully charged in case it's cloudy? i'll prolly still buy one when the prices come down more, not cuz it's the "in" thing, it's cuz no one else around here will have one! i'm still trying to get that $1200. China one. i wonder if they have air conditioning? |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2021 at 10:11pm
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it’s 13 out. Has anyone taken there batt impact out to work on anything in this weather, dead instantly. Or what about fire, ems, police and ambulance. In the middle of fighting a fire you have to plug into the house your putting out.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 5:41am
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Mz, you'll find out...FAST... they'll be a HUGE list of exemptions to the 'battery only' laws. EMS obvious( including their personal vehicles), 'long haul' delivery trucks,any politician or other government employee and of course any registered demoncrap...... BTW battery cars have heaters for the battery pack ( run off the battery pack) to allow them to run in the cold. Brother test drove a Ford hybrid(sorry, not good at names..) engine kept coming on though battery was 100%.seems it came on when too hot or too cold ! been dubbed the 'Goldilocks Algorithm'.. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 11:43am
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I wonder how large of battery it will take to power a farm tractor pulling a 6 bottom plow or 20' disk. Imagine combining or baling hay with battery power.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 11:49am
| Clay then will probaly go back to horses and maybe 20 to keep up with the Jones |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 12:05pm
Horses and cattle will be outlawed because they emit greenhouse gasses. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 3:06pm
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I need one of them electric motorcycles but I'm keeping the varoom varoom sound box off my banana seat sissy bar bicycle so it will sound cool. All seriousness aside I would like one of the electric off road motorcycles. It would be nice to slip through the woods silently. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 6:10pm
And low and behold there was a post/topic in the( ) political section about this VERY scenario happening, yet it was laughed at and deemed LUDICRIS  ??
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2021 at 10:53pm
Lithium ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
shameless dude wrote:Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 6:08am
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interesting read... https://www.salon.com/2019/06/17/lithium-mining-for-green-electric-cars-is-leaving-a-stain-on-the-planet/" rel="nofollow - https://www.salon.com/2019/06/17/lithium-mining-for-green-electric-cars-is-leaving-a-stain-on-the-planet/ but, since lithiun isn't mined in CA, it's 'ok', right ???? ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: weiner
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:18am
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Them pipelines will be pumping petro to the electro-generation plants to recharge all them electric cars. ------------- Real heros wear dogtags, not capes. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 11:14am
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Has anyone done the math? How many mega watts of power do we have now? How many more mega watts will it take to flip the transportation fleet to electric? Where is the difference going to come from? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 11:49am
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the 'math' gets tricky and complicated but.... consider just GM..... a Bolt has a 60kWh battery in it, take 9hrs [level2] charge ,cost me $15 +- GM sold 2,500,000 cars last year a MW could recharge 16 cars.. so you need 156,250 MW of power for 10 hrs to recharge the cars again rough numbers but a starting point. what is NEVER,EVER figured into the 'math' is the necessary upgrade to both 'grid' and the households. presuming 1 ecar per house, 2.5million houses need 100 A servcie upgrades( ka-ching..one time cost, though), for every 3 E-car homes, the 'service' transformer HAS to be upgraded (ka-ching !,cost to hydro user...)then the 'feed' infrastructure HAS to be upgraded...that's megabucks ! where does the money come from....the taxpayers and home owners and renters.... there is NO way 'the electric company' willbe forking out a penny for this. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 11:56am
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We have a 1,200 MW nuclear plant near here. So does this mean we are going to need an additional 130 to 150 new nuclear plants (or equivalent) to provide the juice for all these cars? When was the last time anyone got permission to build a nuclear plant? Can't dam rivers and coal and NG plants are out too? I don't get it.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 12:53pm
Its all Unicorns and Fairy Dust, guys ........... you got to see the BIG PICTURE .. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 1:11pm
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MW in power generation is per hour, so a 1200mw plant at 10 hours is 12,000mw, x 10 plants is 120,000mw Currently the nuke here is Bwoken, generator is Bwoken. So discount that as to coal loss and other Fossil Fuel stations, NO Fracking so LITTLE to no CNG to feed hungry turbines and you would need 300 OPERATING wind 4.0+mw plants with a 10-15% backup to rotate machines for maintenance or 330-350 wind turbines at MAX output during the dark of night JUST for the existing sold units, then again MOST Wind Turbines are less than 4mw closer at 2.5mw as the larger they get the more heat they develop and the more hysteresis losses developed Inside the Generator Cores. Average wind farm is 30-50 plants. NOT enough Area where wind is reasonably consistent to place that many. Distance becomes the Next Gorilla in the Room, where Line loss to Corona and Joule heating becomes a Player, every mile of line adds More reverse flow and resistance to energy delivery. Every Generator has to overcome those losses which adds more power in the generator core and deeper hysteresis loss at the source. For wind power three issues, Turbulence by positioning generators Too Close together, unstable wind speeds as with severe storm gusty winds, and turbulence caused when Sun heat warms the Ground and uplift currents destabilize wind currents. Self Feeding Watermelons.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 1:14pm
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To add; MUST have some form of Base Load Power Generation, Wind and Solar are and shall forever remain SUPPLEMENTAL Sources, NOT INTENDED as Base Load stations.
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 1:35pm
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So we would need 12 to 15 of these 1,200 MW/hr plants just to meed the needs of the GM vehicles? Plus revamping/replacement of the power grid to handle it? And that is just BM.....errrr......GM. Have also heard about the problems of transporting wind and solar power any distance. Wind blows and sun shines where people aren't. By the time power gets to the population centers, the line loss is monumental. Good news is half of CA and NY are moving to TX anyway.....so automakers got that goinf for them.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 2:01pm
| And that is above and beyond the current usage in homes and business EVERY Hour, where an average home uses between 900&2800kwh per month, mean average around 1900kw per month for all homes, where business with any form of mechanization is around 6-8000kwh/mo. Adds up fast where 20 baseload nukes for every state in the US east of KC, 5 to every state west out to CA, Just to cover demand. Not enough time to build. And that includes all the Additional Supplemental Wind and Solar that can be built, JUST to retire Fossil and petroleum based fuels. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 2:06pm
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So where does the nuke fuel come from? Didn't Hillary sell all ours to the Russians? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 3:00pm
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NWT, Canada probably... we sell ALL our natural resources to others for pennies on the Canuck... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 3:22pm
| A great deal of Nuke fuel is reprocessed Weapons grade materials that has degraded and is no longer viable in weapons, the U235 is recovered and made into MOX(Mixed Oxide) fuels. TINY amounts of decayed to a lesser value plutonium is interspersed to allow for a hotter reaction and better heat from the cores. Still handle-able by hands until sent thru a reactor cycle. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:22pm
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Michigan does not have a lot of sunshine, we rank 47th out of the 48 continental states. Yet you see solar panels going up. Some call them Solar Farms. To me a Farm is land that produces food. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2021 at 8:29pm
| you can still get sun rays thru the clouds. i know of some folks that got sunburned even tho it was cloudy at the time. i'm pretty sure that the solar way might not be up to full bore, but should still work. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 6:57am
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Don't know if it's common knowledge but.... It takes a LOT less people to build electric cars than gas ones ! MILLIONS of jobs LOST, not just $$assembly line at GM but parts suppliers... good news , more gas/cheaper price for those of us with 'old skool' rides ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 7:16am
| Less jobs mean less taxes to support as well less expendable income to buy such travesties of engineering. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 8:05am
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked GM where THEY think the electric power will come from to power all these cars? |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 8:39am
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That what another car manufacture said also
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 9:07am
Carefully read what modirt and DMiller said and then try the claim its not ludicrous. You meant the word ,not the rapper, correct???? ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 9:19am
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re: Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked GM where THEY think the electric power will come from to power all these cars? probably .......'outta the wall plug ' ???? ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 10:00am
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Next step is states gotta come up with a way to pay for roads. Fuel taxes no longer being collected. Probably will have to pay by the mile driven.......but mile driven where? In state? Out of state? Get a toll bill in the mail? GPS in your care rats you out? Calls home to momma......errrr......Big Brother. And if tax per mile goes up, and I stop driving at all? Whose gonna fill them shoes?
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 10:07am
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I'm thinking these electric cars will be nothing like your Grandma's Lincoln. Rather more like a luxury golf cart......with a practical range of about 50 miles.......so the majority can drive to work or short trips to the store......nothing at all like driving a car. Maybe some heat but probably not AC......except for the kind I had in my first car. It was the 4-60 model. Roll down 4 windows and drive 60 mph. Beats peddling a bicycle, but that's about it. The upscale models may have an oversized canopy top with solar panels. Park it in the sun all day and it might get you home? |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 12:47pm
| can you imagine the electical service a housing development would need if say 50 to 75 homes had 2 electric cars setting on a chager every night. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 1:21pm
| Unless buying top of the line Tesla not worth the powder to blow them to he** and gone. I do NOT fit thru the doors on most, niece had a Prius, tried to take us out to dinner, I could NOT squeeze down enough to get in it. GM Volt is smaller than a Chevette and not once could ever master getting into one of those. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 1:36pm
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re: can you imagine the electical service a housing development would need
if say 50 to 75 homes had 2 electric cars setting on a chager every
night. no need to imagine..easy arithmetic,grade5 level ?? ...EACH house requires a 400A service, 200A for the house, 100A for EACH e-car. 200A (for e-cars) x 50 homes = 10,000 Amps 10,000 Amp x 240 Volts = 2.4MW. That's 2.4 MEGAWATTS capacity for that subvision. As to ACTUAL power used, that'll depend on time of day, battery level, etc. BUT the 'grid' must be built to 'have the ability' to supply that obscene amount of power 24/7. Just remember this is but one small subdivision,in one city..... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 2:36pm
| Oh but the "Smart" Grid will fix all that, the Deep freeze using too much power will get cycled off and that cow you just put in left to go rot. Then the AC will cycle up to 79 degrees F so as to NOT cycle thru the night where can enjoy the sleeplessness of night sweats or furnace down to 60 so will need a extra blanket or two in Winter. GREAT ideas for keeping Usage Down. No need to keep the night lights or the asleep PC powered and can charge your phone in the car on the way to work. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 4:26pm
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I wonder what road salt will do to all the electrical junk. Also, the heater will have to be electric since no antifreeze, that should drain the batteries in a hurry I would think. Up North you need a good heater when it's -20. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 7:49pm
GEES.... the story just keeps getting BETTER and BETTER !!!   ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 8:03pm
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Tow trucks will be busy. Herb(GA) |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2021 at 8:36pm
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BYOB ???............... Bring Your Own BATTERY ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 6:11am
| Can see them in Temperate climes NOT high heat as that zaps batteries nor extreme cold or road treatments use as that is just as destructive. Good luck to those that buy and use them, I will not unless forced to. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 6:27am
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I can just see the battery going down,down,down while the owner sits in the nice heated seats,listening to the high powered radio, while the defrosters melt the inch of ice off, as the battery heater tries to warm up the battery just enough to get the car rolling...... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 12:58pm
| Have to have battery heaters so the cold don't drain them |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:24pm
| More Eagle grinders. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:49pm
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A heat-pump cabin heater has been adopted for heating an electric vehicle (EV), using less power than conventional models. It greatly improves power consumption when the heater is being used. Nissan LEAF is the first mass-produced vehicle in the world to employ a heat-pump cabin heater. Gasoline vehicles re-use engine exhaust heat to provide the warm air for the functions of the heater. An EV, however, does not have this heat source to recycle and so uses its general power for cabin heating. Conventional air-conditioning systems used an electrical heater, but since the use of the heater directly relates to power consumption, actual driving range was significantly reduced. A heat-pump system, meanwhile, heats the cabin using the temperature difference between a refrigerant and the outside air, obtaining a heating effect other than consuming electricity, and making it possible to heat the car cabin with less power than conventionally. When the heater is in use, the external capacitor absorbs heat from the atmosphere [1] and then compresses it into high-temperature heat [2]. The cold air in the cabin is heated [3] and hot air is blown into the cabin out of the air-conditioning grille [4]. After the heat decompresses to a low temperature, it is released out of the car [5]. In the summer, heat is absorbed from inside the cabin and released outside by the external capacitor, functioning as a cooling and heating system. A heat-pump is unique in that with one refrigerant circuit it can be used for both cooling and heating, with the heat from the outside air being transferable to the cabin just by the power consumption of the pump. A more efficient air-conditioning system is achieved through optimization of the heat exchanger design that implements low power consumption, along with heating and cooling according to set temperatures, and temperature control when switching between cooler and heater that optimally adjust the compressor rotation. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 3:56pm
| Still takes energy to power up that capacitor, who are they trying to fool? Heat Pump Shmeat Pump, if is using energy STILL affects end use distance and the colder the climate the worse that consumption. Summer and you can probably get 5-10 degrees variant to outside air temp, below 20 F in winter maybe could make enough heat to defrost part of w/s. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 6:47pm
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I know most electric heaters draw a lot of juice, and if the vehicle has to sit outside all day or night in subzero temps they take a long time to warm up the cabin. They must assume that the vehicle will be always parked indoors? Maybe they have a trick I don't know about to produce heat. If any of you have a manifold heater on your diesel Allis engine you know what I mean about power draw, you can watch it drain the battery on the meter and that is only heating a small space. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 6:51pm
| how does owning one work. Should have to pay road use and power line use tax. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2021 at 7:42pm
| i kept seeing commercials about the new GMC electric full size pickup...but now they have stopped, don't see the commercials anymore. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 4:51am
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Big failure in testing, unable to carry much load for any considered distance, storage battery was IMMENSE and a load in itself. Then this morning Chevy Prototype was displayed on MSN https://www.autoevolution.com/news/chevy-silverado-forward-control-truck-redesign-looks-weirdly-practical-155352.html" rel="nofollow - Chevy Silverado "Forward Control" Truck Redesign Looks Weirdly Practical - autoevolution BUTT Ugly.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 5:39am
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wow... a 4 door version of the Willys FC-170 !! I'd still rather have an FC-150 ( short bed version of the Forward Cab 170) though !!! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 5:47am
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re: Should have to pay road use and power line use tax. No one really pays a 'road tax' up here, unless you use the Ontario taxpayer paid for toll road that we sold to foreigners decades ago....HUGE money maker for them... Anyone with an e-cr does pay 'power line use' tax... well cost, same as me... Currently I pay 25 cents per kWh, which includes a delivery fee, line loss fee, storage fee,etc.as well as taxed taxes on it all as well..... one problem with e-cars is who pays for the 'infrastructure' upgrades. ALL taxpayers but only a very,very few USE it. I do like the 'Qi charger on steroids' made for them though. Stop at a light, it'll top up your ecar and send you the bill..... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 6:11am
| In MO with "Other" fuels sources they have a "Alternate Fuels Road Tax" and depends on Daily Driver or Limited Use. My LP Farm Truck was $100 Fuel tax Permit up front with License, had a W/S Sticker so could buy fuel otherwise NO SALE. Electric Cars will require similar 'Alternate Fuels' tax stamp and Receipt. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 8:42am
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The more I hear about electric vehicles, the idea comes to me if the fleet were now electric and a gas or diesel vehicle was being proposed, the market would flip to G or D in a heartbeat. That suggests to me the electric vehicles are not a better mousetrap. Quite the opposite in fact. So something else is going on. Pretty much know what it is, but hard to fathom the general public will be willing to go along with having this rammed down their throats for no good reason. The time to make the switch is when the technology arrives to make it the better choice. We are not there yet.
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 8:45am
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BTW, if I was looking for a souped up, eco friendly go cart to replace a bigger ride, it would be a sub compact running on bio-diesel. About 70 to 80 mpg.....and still works like a car. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 10:47am
no good reason The dictator behind the king's thrown has lots of reasons.  But I guess more for the pollical page. Yes the more one thinks about the electric car the poorer and poorer it looks.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 8:19pm
| Miller...does that cab over Chevy come with the side ramp like the old Corvair cab over pickups did? that is kinda a unique looking truck. GM has the cab over 1 tons already with the iszuzu motor in it. years ago all the main vehicle companies made cab over pickups. i always kinda liked them. i guess...cuz they are different than other vehicles. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 8:41pm
Daves photo was an artist "drawing" of one possible design he was promoting... The actual truck design "so far" is a more standard design. It was slated to be built in 2024.. Now chevy is saying they are moving it up... but not date set yet. The HUMMER is the first GMC electric truck to be introduced end of 2021... So Chevy will be 2022 ( possibly).. this is the CHEVY as of Dec 2020. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 8:52pm
This is the electric GMC Hummer that will come out end of 2021 for a 2022 model... It would be safe to assume the Chevy which follows in a year or two would be 90% the same truck with some minor body / bumper changes. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 7:30am
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It ain't cheap to go green. And it won't be for some time to come. If they want the masses to buy it then they better make it cheaper than what's being sold now. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:34am
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They do not want masses buying anything, they just want control. Will be afoot well before anything becomes affordable or really functionally available. Fossil Plants retiring at phenomenal rates, CNG Nat Gas power is going to become so expensive as to Not be affordable due to NO Fracking laws, Wind and Solar are Supplemental and mean SQUAT as to recharging these machines in any volume so are defined Between the Rock and Hard Place as the idiocy of Washout DC plays their games.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:35am
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Then there is this https://fox8.com/news/earth-heats-up-due-to-pandemics-cleaner-air-study-finds/" rel="nofollow - Earth heats up due to pandemic's cleaner air, study finds (fox8.com)
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 1:46pm
| Climate change, yep 4 degrees this morning and they are calling for 0 or below over the weekend with highs in the teens |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 6:01pm
| NE Seaboard received 2 FEET of snow and are expecting MORE Storms over the next weeks, Global Warming!!!!! |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 6:09pm
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and this is the 'first time ever' that the NE Seaboard has ever received snow ! Yup just gotta be Global Warming. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 6:12pm
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Self feeding program as fuels prices rise, fuels consumption decreases, must add MORE taxes to derive more revenues so fuels Rise again only to see curtailed usage at a higher level. Buyers of 'Alternative' energy machines do not pay Roads fuels taxes instead paying a Alternate Fuel Surcharge Tax for a W/S Tax Stamp so can use any purchase source for their fuels supply(IE Electricity or LP or CNG ETC). Tax on the Farm truck on LP was $102.00 per year, could buy Propane on second fill at $.93/gal. So Alt. fuels tax did not even equate to miles nor fuel quantity used. MO is considering a Road Miles tax on cars using Alternate Fuels where I believe IL already has done so. Was speaking to a REA group that is looking at this in a near county. Neighborhoods will have to have Grid updates, Distribution transformers updated, lines sizing updated, sub stations updated, Transmission to Substation systems updated, potentially MORE substations added to handle extra load. REA is looking at DOUBLE their annual expenses in First Year of new services, second year may double that again doubling or tripling the delivered energy price, from $.095/kwh to $.225- potentially $.385. Will barely be able to afford to live in ANY Structure paying those bills. Propane is already noted to be rising here.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 6:18pm
Gary.............. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 7:41pm
| He has NOT quite caught on Steve!!! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 11:59pm
| years ago when diesel vehicles started getting popular, our state would put a added tax on when licensing the vehicle. they claim it would help with revenue loss because the diesels so said would get better mileage than gassers. so when going in to get your license plates or re-registration, you had to lie about or didn't mention anything about diesel power! now i think it's an automatic tac on no matter what the fuel type is. |
Posted By: Ambassaduss
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 8:19am
| This is a great idea! Electric cars are our future! At the moment, a lot of people have begun to change their cars to hybrid ones, as this is less harmful to the environment and, in general, is much more economical to use. Tesla is one of the best representatives of new cars powered by electricity. I myself am the owner of a Tesla Model 3 and I am insanely happy. For long journeys and camping I cannot find a better car. The modernized driving system that allows you to rest and at the same time constantly move helps to overcome long distances and a short period of time. Quite recently, on the recommendation of the service at http://graydonschwartz.com/teslafi-vs-teslastics/" rel="nofollow - |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2021 at 3:59pm
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Welcome to Planet Earth. |
Posted By: PatrickC007
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 3:37pm
| Probably very soon people will completely abandon gasoline and diesel engines. I think it's even good that people are striving for “an all-electric future”. I am also glad that many great services have appeared, such as http://https://www.simplyswitch.com/energy/guides/energy-deals-free-gifts/" rel="nofollow - simplyswitch.com , which make good discounts on electricity. Energy suppliers offer a whole variety of gifts and incentives for choosing their energy deals. My husband has been using these services for a long time, I like it too. He said that he had not seen a better offer anywhere else. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 3:51pm
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you can get 100% INCREASE by going from 1 unit to 2 units.... What is important is the PERCENT of TOTAL VEHICLES that are ELECTRIC... About ZERO. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 5:14pm
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re: This is a great idea! Electric cars are our future! well, we're DOOMED.... ....better stock up on candles and firewood.... I was going to reply to the rest of the post, but it HAS to be SPAM... after all NOBODY 'camps' if they own a Tesla... heck if you can OWN a 100K$ ecar , you don't own a tent.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 8:39am
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Maybe after buyin' that E-car, all you can afford is a tent!!!LOL |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 2:36pm
| Well the top two men at the electric truck plant in Lorain, Ohio have quit and don't hear anything about hiring to replace them. |
Posted By: JLS retired
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 2:46pm
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pro electric keep forgetting unintended consequences, China owns/controls major portion of rare earth resources,(lithium, cadmium, ect.) Will EPA allow reprocessing of electric car batteries? Check out current regs. for lead batteries. Emergency services already getting extra training to deal with cutting accident victems out of electric and hybird cars. Added 'burb sprawl caused by new charging stations, expensive transformers and infrastructure for said charging stations. As my grandmother said "the road to he-- is paved with good intentions". |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 4:43pm
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New York (CNN Business)Lordstown Motors, the startup electric truck maker, warned Tuesday it is close to running out of cash and may be forced out of business in the next year. The news, which sent Lordstown shares down about 20% in midday trading Wednesday, is a blow to not only the company but also to the gritty industrial town from which it gets its name. For 53 years, http://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/business/gm-plants-closing-lordstown-ohio/index.html" rel="nofollow - Lordstown , Ohio, was home to a massive General Motors plant, which http://www.cnn.com/2019/03/06/economy/gm-lordstown-workers/index.html" rel="nofollow - GM closed in 2019 . The car giant sold the 6.2 million square foot factory, nearly twice the size of the Pentagon, later that year to start-up Lordstown Motors, which promised to http://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/business/gm-lordstown-plant-sale-electric-pickup/index.html" rel="nofollow - pay union-level wages to workers to build its http://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/tech/lordstown-electric-pickup/index.html" rel="nofollow - Endurance pickup truck . It is due to start production of that truck in September. Lordstown currently has about 600 employees. But Tuesday the startup said it no longer has enough money to start commercial production. It warned there is now "substantial doubt" about its ability to stay in business over the course of the next 12 months. The company filing said it had $259.7 million in cash on hand as of March 31, after posting a net loss of $125.2 million over the previous three months. It said it's ability to stay in business "is dependent on its ability to complete the development of its electric vehicles, obtain regulatory approval, begin commercial scale production and launch the sale of such vehicles." It is seeking additional financing. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 5:58pm
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After reading the article, Lordstown Motors is a startup that leaped right into the pickup market with what appears to be a unique design of using hub motors. Most startups begin small and grow their companies. These folks are trying to compete with giants right out of the gate. Good luck to them. ------------- Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 5:45pm
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All the farmers around here have already switched! They dumped their electric irrigation pumps and went (back) to diesels. What a surprise to see a diesel pump going full bore. Next to it are some old power poles and a rusty, empty meter box. Abandoned like the horse and buggy. Well, our local beloved utility has the highest rates (like $.21/KWH) and they have screwy service and connection charges, monthly minimums and such. So the farmers dumped them. Dealing with monopolies is no fun. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2021 at 12:45pm
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Brian be careful what you wish for. Your state is on par with mine for craziness. Mine back in 02 already came up with a solution to the monopoly. A coop company with NO GENERATION or DISTRABUTION LINES but it gets to use the old monopoly companies equipment. Of course it is a green company so if you wish you power is ALL GREEN energy, even though it comes in on the same wires as any other energy. And of course green costs a bit more. No idea who is in control of coop, my best guess crocked politicians. Your local government (city, or county) signs your area up for it, and you get to do paperwork to get yourself out. So now we get to pick which monopoly gets our money. |