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Just FYI - back in the day the dealer invoice was 23%   (.77 of list) , the freight was 3-400 for most then it took about a day to predeliver it properly as usually the new tires had to be moved and fluid added and duals, weights - dyno it - deliver it - work on the trade in that was stated 'field ready' add battery, oil and fuel to it to get it to run long enough to get on the truck  etc  . If the dealer made a thousand clear profit he thought it a good day.  
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Thanks for posting the pictures they are not the best quality, but 46 years take a toll. The 7060 is still in use pulling a smaller drill in small fields.
B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more
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Originally posted by Sherman Farms Sherman Farms wrote:

Thanks for posting the pictures they are not the best quality, but 46 years take a toll. The 7060 is still in use pulling a smaller drill in small fields.
you’re welcome. I put each photo thru auto enhancement & tried to crop out glare. I love their aged look. Thanks for sharing them. Is that you standing next to the 7050&plow?
I love the 24.5s on the 7050. What size duals did you match up to them? Basically, you bought an open station 7050. Then dealer put on cab? Do you remember what part of $15,500 that the year-round cab cost ?
What did your early 1970s AC 2000 6-18s w auto-reset plows cost new?

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The dual was 18.4 38 on a step up or down rim. You could go any direction on plowed ground and rode like a expensive car. The plows i can,t remember exactly but i think around $1800 for the first one and $2000 for the next one. The cab listed around $1900 but we got a sweetheart deal with buying one of the first 7050 in our area. We went to the field day the Columbus Branch had when the 7050-7030s came out, drove the new tractors and had a great time. I got a raincoat and new hat for driving tractors that day, not bad for a 23 year old.
B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more
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Here's an older AC dealership lot photo from that era.
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Dec 28, 1973 I ordered a new Allis 200 with factory cab and air and 10 suitcase wts for $11,500. A 4230 was $12,500.
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Originally posted by tbran tbran wrote:


Just FYI - back in the day the dealer invoice was 23%   (.77 of list) , the freight was 3-400 for most then it took about a day to predeliver it properly as usually the new tires had to be moved and fluid added and duals, weights - dyno it - deliver it - work on the trade in that was stated 'field ready' add battery, oil and fuel to it to get it to run long enough to get on the truck  etc  . If the dealer made a thousand clear profit he thought it a good day.  
"Add fuel and oil",you mean they shipped them dry? No batteries, oil,fuel or hydraulic fluid? F.O.B. West Allis. That could eat into 23% pretty quick!
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They were turn key, ready to drive BUT, there wasn't hardly any fuel in them, so you didn't want to go very far without filling up.
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I think tbran is referring to the farmer trade-in tractor that had to be fueled and oil changed etc 
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

I think tbran is referring to the farmer trade-in tractor that had to be fueled and oil changed etc 

Reread it, yeah I see. Still comes out of the bottom line though.
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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

They were turn key, ready to drive BUT, there wasn't hardly any fuel in them, so you didn't want to go very far without filling up.

When new One-Ninety's would arrive from West Allis on "Tractor Transport" flat bed semis, we would unload them at the railroad docks uptown.  Then, drive them about 8 blocks to the dealership.  They didn't have but 1 or 2 gallon at the most in them when they arrived.  Usually called the local fuel distributor to come by with his delivery truck and fill them up.
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Originally posted by WD45 WD45 wrote:


Dec 28, 1973 I ordered a new Allis 200 with factory cab and air and 10 suitcase wts for $11,500. A 4230 was $12,500.


Through the late 40's and 50's Dad owned several WD and WD45 tractors and had an All Crop Harvester combine with a motor on it. It seems like a lot of neighbors drove AC back then (or Oliver) and one of Dads friends had a complete line of haying equipment so we worked together in haying time. Belly mount pto mower on a C tricycle tractor, pto side delivery rake, Roto baler pulled by a WD45, round bale loader mounted on the C. All AC equipment including tractors. I learned to drive a WD45 when I was 3 years old steering between rows of round bales and holding the hand clutch, but not strong enough to snap it over center! When I was 5 I could operate the clutch so got to drive to and from the field. In 1963 Dad bought a new D19 gas from the local dealer and around that time he bought a B Allis that was "my" tractor. Did quite a bit of harrowing and light discing on that little tractor. Along with the D19 Dad bought a 12'AC chisel plow (Jeoffroy ?sp) for $100 a foot and later added extensions to make it 14'. One of Dad's lifelong friends became a salesman for IHC in the late 60's so the whole farm turned red through the 70's. Farming was changing fast in the late 60s and 70s and a friend of mine bought a new 210 diesel for a 5,000 bu bin of barley. 5,000 x 2.50 a bushel= $12,500. I think he still has it. Somewhere in the mid 70s my cousin Ken (and a partner)bought Dales Implements in Swift Current SK so I had lots of stories and connections with the 7000 series tractors there. It was a happening place through that decade. The 7030 to 7060s were very popular in Sk and at home in Alberta. I owned a L2 Windrow special hydro about 1981 to 1984 and in 1986 bought a 8550 which I still own. I had major trouble with the motor in 1989 and did a repower to a 350 Cummins. It is still a very useable tractor. Anyone interested in a one of a kind collector item??IMG_0281_2020-02-29_19-22-35.JPG
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Dang that was a great fit ! Looks good
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Dang that was a great fit ! Looks good


Yes, thanks! It worked out very well. The 855 Cummins had a lot of things going for it to do the repower. The main thing was lots of parts availability. The only thing that it all hinged on was to build my own bell housing/adapter plate and torque limiter clutch setup so it would sit close to the transmission and everything else would then fit in the space without modifying everything else.
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Originally posted by Transaxial Transaxial wrote:

The only thing that it all hinged on was to build my own bell housing/adapter plate and torque limiter clutch setup so it would sit close to the transmission and everything else would then fit in the space without modifying everything else.
Nice looking 8550! Thanks for sharing. So the 350 Cummins sae#1 bell housing(12 bolt?) is mated to the power director via an aluminum or steel adapter plate??
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Here’s a link to a similar 2019’s posting per the “1973’s - The orange age begins!”
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/today-1973_topic158404.html
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