Today back in 1973
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Topic: Today back in 1973
Posted By: Randy_Larson
Subject: Today back in 1973
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 7:43am
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The Allis-Chalmers 7030 and 7050 were introduced to dealers in Las Vegas, Nevada. |
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 8:03am
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So they missed NFMS for a launch? ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 8:16am
| I remember it took me awhile to get used to the "new look" after having been in love with the One-Ninety XT and Two-Twenty. That new cab was the quietest in the industry at that time. |
Posted By: Bill(MO)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 8:57am
| just happened to be there. Cab was 78db |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:34am
| That would've been neat to have been there, bet Allis was all the talk at coffee shops etc after introducing them , they were different and that always gets ppl going ! |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:39am
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If I am not mistaken , a few of the non cab 7030's hit dealer lots before the intro... ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:44am
| I seem to recall having a non-cab 7030 or 7050 come through Dad's shop that somehow got a Year-A-Round cab put on it(?). I might be wrong, but I think I've seen that before. Don't know why someone would want an aftermarket cab when it would be not near as nice as a factory cab. Maybe cheaper? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:52am
| Some early 7030's (at least) weren't available with factory cabs until a few months into production. I know. I had a customer who had a Hiniker on his and that was the story. ROPS cabs also had to get certified to be able to be retailed. Not sure that was yet done in Feb of 73. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 12:25pm
I haven’t seen an aftermarket cab I like yet. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Brian F(IL) wrote:Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:28pm
| We sold two with aftermarket cabs before factory cabs. MACK |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 8:59am
| What did a new 7030-7050 cost new ? |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:12am
| 7030 diesel...… 426 turbocharged, power steering, H/D adjustable front axle, Cat 2/3 three point hitch, two valves/remote outlets, swinging drawbar, differential lock, 1000 RPM PTO, wheel guards, deluxe seat, 16-speed Power Director transmission, 10.00 x 16 frt tires and 18.4 x 38 (8 ply) rear tires, shipping weight 10,697 lbs. Retail price $17,035. EXTRAS: Cab $1830...…..Cab and A/C $2564. This would have been the last price given in 1974. Early 1973 models may have been a little less money. Similar equipped 7050 tractor was $19,550 and weight was 10,813 lbs. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:18am
| Thanks Dr, interesting prices, sure different times now |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:34am
| The 7030 @130 PTO HP was $131 per HP. The 7050 @155 PTO HP was a better deal at $126 per HP. What should have been done (armchair quarterback talking) was take the 7030 chassis and instead of cast rear wheel centers, use a heavy dual wheel steel center (cost/weight reduction), install the intercooled 301 engine and create a 110 HP new model called the "7010" at about $14,850 in 1973. That's what should have been done. The model 200 at 94 HP and then the 7010 at 110 HP. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 1:46pm
| Totally makes sense,, id like to find a rough 7030 or 7050 to turn into a puller, luv the looks of them |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 2:09pm
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Posted By: nick121
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 3:04pm
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I'd think you would be a pretty big dog buying a new 7050 back in the day! Actually seems like they were well ahead of most of the other manufactures back in 73 . They are a pretty light tractor to me but they've lasted the test of time..
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 3:51pm
| If they'd have made my 7010 in 1973, even if they didn't make a dime on it, it still would have been utilizing the "new" tractor family and the cost per unit (over time) would have come down and the exposure of this new breed of tractor would have increased, which in the end, should have helped with overall new big AC tractor sales. My opinion is they would have sold as many or more 7010's as they did 7050's, because 110 HP was a more popular size. I'm jus sayin...…….. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 6:02pm
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I got to agree doc ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 8:01pm
Unballasted weights with cabs IH 1066 with duals = 13,315# - singles = 12,145# AC 7030 singles = 12,430# AC 7050 with (cast?) duals = 14,525 JD 4430 singles = 11,350# Case 1270 with cast duals = 15,470# - singles = 13,440# Ford 9600 single fatties = 11,860# MF 1135 singles = 12,250# - single fatties 13,550# How about sound levels at full power IH 1066 = 88 dba (ealier 1066 was 85.5 but at lower 116 horse power) AC 7030 & 7050 = 79.5 dba JD 4430 = 82.5 dba Case 1270 = 88 dba early model - 82.5 dba late model Ford 9600 = 84 dba MF 1135 = 82.5 dba ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 8:12pm
| Yeah, I didn't quite get that "light" complaint. To begin with, those weights I listed are without a cab. The "light" tractors at that time were a 4430 Deere. If you ever looked at the rear axles and 3 point hitch, it was 4020 heftiness !! That's exactly why when they came with the 4440 (40 series) they were referred to as the "Iron Horse" !! They actually tried to match the 7040/60 for weight and strength. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 8:33pm
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unballasted 4440 with cab and cast duals = 14,470# ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 8:26am
Not a 7030 or 7050, but the price list for a 7060. Will give you some idea of the costs at that time.  |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 4:40pm
| Quite a price jump from 73 to 81 ! |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 1:30am
Drive or fly out to Vegas? Do any Vegas gambling while there? Win any money? |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 1:33am
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Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 3:04am
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Bought a new 7050 demonstrator with 24.5 tires and e year round cab in 1974 for $15,500 no trade. Bought a new 7060 with 18.4 -38 tires,factory cab, front and rear weights in 1975 for $20,000 no trade. Both were great tractors.We pulled 6-18 2000 series plows with them. ------------- B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 7:34am
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Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 3:53pm
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Yes i have photos but will have to have my son try to post them. Have a photo of 7060 pulling a grain drill last year. ------------- B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 5:52pm
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 11:04pm
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Just FYI - back in the day the dealer invoice was 23% (.77 of list) , the freight was 3-400 for most then it took about a day to predeliver it properly as usually the new tires had to be moved and fluid added and duals, weights - dyno it - deliver it - work on the trade in that was stated 'field ready' add battery, oil and fuel to it to get it to run long enough to get on the truck etc . If the dealer made a thousand clear profit he thought it a good day. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 10:59am
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Thanks for posting the pictures they are not the best quality, but 46 years take a toll. The 7060 is still in use pulling a smaller drill in small fields. ------------- B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 11:49am
I love the 24.5s on the 7050. What size duals did you match up to them? Basically, you bought an open station 7050. Then dealer put on cab? Do you remember what part of $15,500 that the year-round cab cost ? What did your early 1970s AC 2000 6-18s w auto-reset plows cost new? |
Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 12:18pm
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The dual was 18.4 38 on a step up or down rim. You could go any direction on plowed ground and rode like a expensive car. The plows i can,t remember exactly but i think around $1800 for the first one and $2000 for the next one. The cab listed around $1900 but we got a sweetheart deal with buying one of the first 7050 in our area. We went to the field day the Columbus Branch had when the 7050-7030s came out, drove the new tractors and had a great time. I got a raincoat and new hat for driving tractors that day, not bad for a 23 year old. ------------- B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 12:47pm
Here's an older AC dealership lot photo from that era.
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Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 1:02pm
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Dec 28, 1973 I ordered a new Allis 200 with factory cab and air and 10 suitcase wts for $11,500. A 4230 was $12,500. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:29pm
------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:36pm
| They were turn key, ready to drive BUT, there wasn't hardly any fuel in them, so you didn't want to go very far without filling up. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:39pm
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I think tbran is referring to the farmer trade-in tractor that had to be fueled and oil changed etc ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 7:53pm
Reread it, yeah I see. Still comes out of the bottom line though. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 8:34am
When new One-Ninety's would arrive from West Allis on "Tractor Transport" flat bed semis, we would unload them at the railroad docks uptown. Then, drive them about 8 blocks to the dealership. They didn't have but 1 or 2 gallon at the most in them when they arrived. Usually called the local fuel distributor to come by with his delivery truck and fill them up.
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Posted By: Transaxial
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 7:27pm
Through the late 40's and 50's Dad owned several WD and WD45 tractors and had an All Crop Harvester combine with a motor on it. It seems like a lot of neighbors drove AC back then (or Oliver) and one of Dads friends had a complete line of haying equipment so we worked together in haying time. Belly mount pto mower on a C tricycle tractor, pto side delivery rake, Roto baler pulled by a WD45, round bale loader mounted on the C. All AC equipment including tractors. I learned to drive a WD45 when I was 3 years old steering between rows of round bales and holding the hand clutch, but not strong enough to snap it over center! When I was 5 I could operate the clutch so got to drive to and from the field. In 1963 Dad bought a new D19 gas from the local dealer and around that time he bought a B Allis that was "my" tractor. Did quite a bit of harrowing and light discing on that little tractor. Along with the D19 Dad bought a 12'AC chisel plow (Jeoffroy ?sp) for $100 a foot and later added extensions to make it 14'. One of Dad's lifelong friends became a salesman for IHC in the late 60's so the whole farm turned red through the 70's. Farming was changing fast in the late 60s and 70s and a friend of mine bought a new 210 diesel for a 5,000 bu bin of barley. 5,000 x 2.50 a bushel= $12,500. I think he still has it. Somewhere in the mid 70s my cousin Ken (and a partner)bought Dales Implements in Swift Current SK so I had lots of stories and connections with the 7000 series tractors there. It was a happening place through that decade. The 7030 to 7060s were very popular in Sk and at home in Alberta. I owned a L2 Windrow special hydro about 1981 to 1984 and in 1986 bought a 8550 which I still own. I had major trouble with the motor in 1989 and did a repower to a 350 Cummins. It is still a very useable tractor. Anyone interested in a one of a kind collector item?? uploads/11547/IMG_0281_2020-02-29_19-22-35.JPG" rel="nofollow - IMG_0281_2020-02-29_19-22-35.JPG |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 6:09am
| Dang that was a great fit ! Looks good |
Posted By: Transaxial
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 10:48am
Yes, thanks! It worked out very well. The 855 Cummins had a lot of things going for it to do the repower. The main thing was lots of parts availability. The only thing that it all hinged on was to build my own bell housing/adapter plate and torque limiter clutch setup so it would sit close to the transmission and everything else would then fit in the space without modifying everything else. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 4:01am
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 4:05am
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Here’s a link to a similar 2019’s posting per the “1973’s - The orange age begins!” https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/today-1973_topic158404.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/today-1973_topic158404.html |