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Larry(OH) 
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 10:43am |
This any of the pullers on here??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCdmcLHb_o&feature=related
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 10:53am |
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 11:26am |
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 11:49am |
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[TUBE]8WCdmcLHb_o&feature=related[/TUBE]
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 12:13pm |
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is that a combine final drive? I must say I wasn't expecting that kind of a modification!
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 12:14pm |
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I'm surprised that as fast as that wheel/tire was turning it didn't depart faster and go further
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 12:16pm |
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I think that final drive is off of a "F". Think he replaced with a "F II".
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Dave in PA
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 12:24pm |
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My opinion, the ?? can't say what, that walked in front on the video while the tire was rolling must be stupid! Thank God for the barriers.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 2:57pm |
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I thought the same thing Dave
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 5:36pm |
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That was unexpected!
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 5:41pm |
Leon Louis and Kieth Haney are quality pullers
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MACK
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 7:02pm |
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Why would you want to put a reduction drive on a tractor like that. Most pullers need to over drive not under drive. MACK
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m16ty
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Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 8:44pm |
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Here's a vid of the Haney tractor pulling on the AGCO site. He tells about running combine axles.
http://www.myfarmlife.com/features/a-family-with-pull/
Edited by m16ty - 01 Jan 2012 at 8:45pm
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steigerbro24
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Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 10:43am |
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As a guy who pulls off tractors at pulls, that one would suck big time to pull off. I once saw a guy who has very bad luck with his John Deere break something in his final drive and they needed a forklift to lift the back end off the ground to get him off the track.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 10:54am |
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At our pulls we always have a heavy Cat wheel loader on hand just for such a problem. We also have our 7060 loader on hand, as it can handle most of the lifts where they break front ends, but we have been lucky building good tracks, that the rears tend to stay on.
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Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 6:19pm |
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Louis is my parts man for Allis. They are really down to earth people, been in business many, many years.
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Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 7:27pm |
 MACK wrote:
Why would you want to put a reduction drive on a tractor like that. Most pullers need to over drive not under drive. MACK |
don't they still have reduction in outboard planetaries used in component tractors? The idea is to keep the speed in the trans and rearend as high as possible, to keep the torque(stress on parts)down, therefore reduction at final drive? I'm with you MACK, have wondered this myself.
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Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 10:05pm |
I have to wonder if they tried to build a component chassis and used the combine final drives or if it is an ag chassis with those final drives adapted on. Either way, I don't know why in the world you would use combine final drives.
Yes Ed, in most component tractors there is a reduction in the planetary. Some use an outboard and some use an inboard depending on the rear end if it and who built it. In our component tractor, it's a simple Kipplinger transmission, a SQHD Rockwell carrier in a fabricated rear end and 4 to 1 magnesium planataries. A simple ring and pinion swap and we can get about any gear ratio desired. Typically on these supers we see a final gear ratio at maybe 15 to 20 to 1 depending on how much power and at what RPM the engine makes it's power. There's a few hooking faster than 15 to 1, but that takes some serious $$$$ under the hood.
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Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 3:35pm |
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According to the video I saw of them interviewing him ----the rearend was used because that was what he had laying around behind the shop ---so I guess he figured --use what I got till I destroy it and go from there.
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