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Originally posted by Michael Crowe Michael Crowe wrote:

Randy, I am just guessing here.  I had always assumed that a WD could be had new as an lpg dual fuel but only with the gas high altitude piston (6.6:1 ratio) offered for the WD, as they did not list the lpg piston until the 45 came out.  My assumption continued that field performance must have been lacking with the WD configuration, thus AC changed the 45 dual fuel to the higher yet lpg pistion (7.25:1ratio).  I gleaned all that from the parts book data on the various pistons, etc.  But like I said in my previous post, with the sales literature I have and the piece Don quoted from, it woudl suggest that the WD lpg setup came out only after the WD45 came out, and that AC made a separate kit with a different carb for the WD.  But then that would conflict wtih Orangeblood's belief that their WD's came with the dual fuel already on them.  So all I can be sure of at this point is that AC did make the conversion for WD's to have the dual fuel configuration, just not sure if they ever came from the factory that way or if it was a dealer conversion.
 
   Thanks, Michael. It is interesting when we get to digging into all the things Allis tryed to satisfy just what there customers wanted.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Calvin Schmidt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 1:17pm

Michael, you are right on the D-17 engine. Now when I look at the first picture closer, I can see the rib on the block. I like these neat 1 of none combination tractors but not when someone trys to represent them as factory originials.

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I have a piece of literature from Allis that states the whole system as being installed at the factory. But when I check it out in my Dealer price book, it states that you can buy the whole system for field installation, which also required tearing down the engine and installing the high compression engine kit for the LPG. Which also explains the GH desination on the engine serial number. I wonder if the Dealers added that ID to them when they retrofitted them? My dealer parts book lists 282901 motor kit for a 7.2:1 ratio for lpg. The most interesting thing that I have found while working on three different LPG 45's is that they always have D series power crater pistons in them. Apparently how they made the compression gain in them. Any thoughts here?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Orange Blood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by Michael Crowe Michael Crowe wrote:

Randy, I am just guessing here.  I had always assumed that a WD could be had new as an lpg dual fuel but only with the gas high altitude piston (6.6:1 ratio) offered for the WD, as they did not list the lpg piston until the 45 came out.  My assumption continued that field performance must have been lacking with the WD configuration, thus AC changed the 45 dual fuel to the higher yet lpg pistion (7.25:1ratio).  I gleaned all that from the parts book data on the various pistons, etc.  But like I said in my previous post, with the sales literature I have and the piece Don quoted from, it woudl suggest that the WD lpg setup came out only after the WD45 came out, and that AC made a separate kit with a different carb for the WD.  But then that would conflict wtih Orangeblood's belief that their WD's came with the dual fuel already on them.  So all I can be sure of at this point is that AC did make the conversion for WD's to have the dual fuel configuration, just not sure if they ever came from the factory that way or if it was a dealer conversion.
 
It is entirely possible that this was dealer installed, as was said before above, this has every clamp and correct hose line, tanks everything.  My greatgrandfather was the allis dealer they were purchased from, so maybe my assurtion that they were factory, was a bit strong.  My greatgrandfather was known for being on the cutting edge with allis, and knew many of the engineers and upper management at allis, so it is entirely possible that he had the kits put on before they were sold to my grandpa. (his son) 
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Rich, I replied to your PM, but just for everyone's viewing, the WD's engine serial number was WDxxxxxx followed by the appropriate suffix, GA for gas, KA for kerosene, PA, I always assumed to be propane, and that is why I always thought the WD lpg could be ordered that way.  If they were dealer conversions, there would be no way to change the GA or KA to the PA suffix, and you would be able to plainly see the restamping.  The WD45 engine serial numbers are 45xxxxx followed by the suffix, G for gas, GH for the propane dual fuel model, K for Kerosene. If all the WD propane's were dealer conversion, then there was no need for the PA suffix, but yet that is what this tractor has. I always assumed PA was for propane, but perhaps that is misplaced. 
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I just looked in two WD operating instruction manuals, the Form TM-9B refers to high compression engines as having the GA suffix, the later manual Form TM-9E refers to the high compression engines as having the PA suffix. So if would appear that the propane engine, whether if it was factory or especially if it was dealer installed, did not have a separate suffix.  There would be no way for a dealer to "erase the old GA, KA, PA suffix" and there does not appear to have been any other WD suffix.  I have only heard of the GA, KA, and PA suffixes and have tractors with each of those designations.
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