My new WD lpg
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Topic: My new WD lpg
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Subject: My new WD lpg
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 12:39pm
Here are some pictures of my new to me WD lpg. It is setup to burn propane only, but I have the carburetor to put it back to the dual fuel setup. I was hoping at least the tank was good, but it is rusted through and they used sheet metal screws to attach a gauge cluster. But look what I found with the tractor. How many people know what it is or have one? Just curious to know?
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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 12:57pm
| Michael...I don't have a clue as to what the piece is for,but it looks like you found a pretty good WD LPG. Factory power steering,wide front end,straight sheet metal and good tires. Not bad,thanks for sharing! Rick |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 12:59pm
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That is a WD-45 with WD block, there was no WD LPG / Dual Fuel. Or am I wrong ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 1:04pm
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That does look like a WD. Straight shifter, Plate on block. I am not finding any mention of a WD LPG in Swinford's book or Terry Dean's data book, What is this ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 1:05pm
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Yes, there was a WD dual fuel lpg/gas tractor. If you look in the parts book it shows both a WD and WD45 version of the dual fuel. The carburetor for the WD has a different part number than the carb for the WD45. About the only difference I can tell is the coolant lines are different for the two models. The above tractor is a WD, but the guy painted the 45 under the factory WD decal. The serial number is WD80093, straight shifter, old WD manifold, WD 2 port water jacket on top of the head, etc. Engine has a WD prefix, not a 45 prefix, so it is all WD. The bracket that hangs down from the frame rails goes to a cultivator that I have but did not have the bracket, so that is an added bonus. I will wait a bit before telling what the little bracket it. I will give a hint though. It is a factory piece and it is in the parts book. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Travis(NE)
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 1:14pm
| So that's why you were interested in any dual fuel parts I may have sitting around... :-) |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 1:34pm
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Yes, that is part of the story. I do have the carburetor for this one, but I have another WD dual fuel that I could use the parts for. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 1:48pm
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Hydraulic lever stop for using the traction booster????
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Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 1:49pm
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Why is there no mention in Wendel's, Swinford's, and Dean's books of LPG until the WD45 ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 2:13pm
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The AGCO parts book online lists the LPG carb (page 114) and fuel system (page 138) on the W226 engine, I am finding no reference to the parts on the 201 ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 2:28pm
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Matt, you are correct. I can't say why the history books don't show it, but the AC parts books do. It lists a different carb for the WD than the WD45, and I have one of those carbs with the WD part number on it, as well as a carb for a 45 with the 45 part number on it. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 2:53pm
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Okay, I see it on page 116. Still listed as 226 engine. Interesting Mike, wasn't meaning to give you a hard time, just wanted to see documentation. No hard feelings meant. Thanks. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 3:06pm
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Oh, It is a neat and interesting tractor. I think that I have seen one of those hydraulic stops before but don't remember where. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 3:33pm
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No offense taken. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 9:07pm
| It is kind of funny, because of the WD and WD45 being so popular or should I say so plentiful, I never had a lot of interest in them, I always thought that when I was ready for one, I could buy one on any street corner. So I spent most of my time and interests in the knowledge of the more rare tractors. Michael is the exception to the rule, he studied and found all of the rare and interesting options of these tractors. Now he is my go-to guy for information on these. There is a lot more to know and to look for than I ever could have imagined. All AC equipment has quite a history if you spend enough time to learn everything there is to know about the item. Michael Crow is an Authority on the subject, among others on this Forum. My hat is off to you Sir. Dave. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 9:37pm
| I am making those stops now out of aluminum. Machined not cast, if you are interested let me know. I borrowed a part to copy from Tom in IL. Tracy Martin |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 8:19pm
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My grandfather had a mix of 5 or 6 WDs and WD45s, all of which burned LPG. Only two were converted the rest were factory, I am fairly sure only two of his tractors are 45s. So While I don't want to state as fact without looking at them, I am about 96.32% sure a couple of the WDs are factory LPG or Dual fuel ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 7:25am
| I have some Ensign service information that a friend gave me this summer, and there were 5 different sizes of the Kgnl dual fuel carbs that they made, amoung many other styles. One thing they mention in there is the venturi sizing needs to be checked when putting the carb on another engine. In the parts section when ordering you must specify the venturi bore size. I would certainly think that the WD45 carb would have a bigger bore thus making it a different part number, although they are physically the same size. Interesting Carbs made from brass except the float bowl. Some real thought seems to have went into them. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 9:11am
Guys, this might clear the dual fuel thing up for you, I hope. LOL
I just reread this in sales flyer # TL-1122-5603 (I'll try to post a copy of this later on today) it is talking about the WD45 / WD "Dual Fuel"
Here go's [QUOTE] Available in three popular front-end styles, the WD45 with L-P gas conversion weighs approximately 4640 pounds.
L-P gas conversion units are available for either factory or field installation on WD45 tractors, and for field installation on WD tractors.
I hope this helps.
Don ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Michael Crowe wrote:Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 10:29am
Now that we are on the LP subject. What is this? Was at Hutch or Hastings in 06 and the owner claimed it was a very rare factory LP only that was dropped when the diesels came out because it had more power. What is the story of the manifolds? ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 10:37am
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had to delete some pictures. View of the whole tractor. Same guy had a D-17IV LP. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 11:30am
| That is a Leroi manifold, so probably a Leroi engine also. And not factory. |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 11:31am
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Don , I would love to have a copy of the brouchure. Calvin, I too saw that tractor in person and all I can say is that the parts book does not show anything like that ever being offered by AC. I have never seen any literature or parts that showed anything but ensign carbs and regulators. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 11:45am
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The guy also showed me a well worn brochure with A-C logos to show the tractor as factory. Maybe someone was marketing a conversion kit with all these parts and had the A-C logos on the brochure. He obviously started with a new hood because there is no patch over the originial muffler locatiion. That does look like a good manifold. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 12:08pm
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Well then, were WD's available or not with LP ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 12:15pm
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I looked in my AC price list and it list two separate part numbers for the dual fuel setup, but it does have an asterisk by the WD and says it is a field conversion. So, with Don's literature, it would strongly suggest that WD's did not come from the factory as an LPG, but you could order the parts as a kit to have it done at your local dealership or I guess do it yourself. The tractor I posted about has factory power steering as well which never came out on a WD from the factory, and every little bracket and clamp is there, so I suspect the dealer put that on as well, as a farmer I doubt would have been so careful to put all the clamps on in the correct places. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 12:19pm
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Calvin, now that I recall, that tractor had a D17 motor in it as well. There were way too many things that did not add up for me to believe that it was factory. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 12:21pm
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But, could you order the LP parts when the WD was being built ? Or after the WD45 Dual fuel came out, then they were offered to retrofit WD's ? Where's Sherlock Holmes when you need him ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Travis(NE)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 12:23pm
| I have an original copy of the Form No. 528 "FIELD INSTALLATION OF POWER STEERING WD AND WD-45 TRACTORS" it shows gasoline and diesel. One could assume the same existed for the LPG setup also. At one time I thought I had the same Sales flyer that Don talks about stating the field installation of the LP on WD and WD-45. |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 12:36pm
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Randy, I am just guessing here. I had always assumed that a WD could be had new as an lpg dual fuel but only with the gas high altitude piston (6.6:1 ratio) offered for the WD, as they did not list the lpg piston until the 45 came out. My assumption continued that field performance must have been lacking with the WD configuration, thus AC changed the 45 dual fuel to the higher yet lpg pistion (7.25:1ratio). I gleaned all that from the parts book data on the various pistons, etc. But like I said in my previous post, with the sales literature I have and the piece Don quoted from, it woudl suggest that the WD lpg setup came out only after the WD45 came out, and that AC made a separate kit with a different carb for the WD. But then that would conflict wtih Orangeblood's belief that their WD's came with the dual fuel already on them. So all I can be sure of at this point is that AC did make the conversion for WD's to have the dual fuel configuration, just not sure if they ever came from the factory that way or if it was a dealer conversion. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 1:04pm
Thanks, Michael. It is interesting when we get to digging into all the things Allis tryed to satisfy just what there customers wanted. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 1:17pm
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Michael, you are right on the D-17 engine. Now when I look at the first picture closer, I can see the rib on the block. I like these neat 1 of none combination tractors but not when someone trys to represent them as factory originials. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 2:08pm
| I have a piece of literature from Allis that states the whole system as being installed at the factory. But when I check it out in my Dealer price book, it states that you can buy the whole system for field installation, which also required tearing down the engine and installing the high compression engine kit for the LPG. Which also explains the GH desination on the engine serial number. I wonder if the Dealers added that ID to them when they retrofitted them? My dealer parts book lists 282901 motor kit for a 7.2:1 ratio for lpg. The most interesting thing that I have found while working on three different LPG 45's is that they always have D series power crater pistons in them. Apparently how they made the compression gain in them. Any thoughts here? |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 2:12pm
It is entirely possible that this was dealer installed, as was said before above, this has every clamp and correct hose line, tanks everything. My greatgrandfather was the allis dealer they were purchased from, so maybe my assurtion that they were factory, was a bit strong. My greatgrandfather was known for being on the cutting edge with allis, and knew many of the engineers and upper management at allis, so it is entirely possible that he had the kits put on before they were sold to my grandpa. (his son) ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 3:35pm
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Rich, I replied to your PM, but just for everyone's viewing, the WD's engine serial number was WDxxxxxx followed by the appropriate suffix, GA for gas, KA for kerosene, PA, I always assumed to be propane, and that is why I always thought the WD lpg could be ordered that way. If they were dealer conversions, there would be no way to change the GA or KA to the PA suffix, and you would be able to plainly see the restamping. The WD45 engine serial numbers are 45xxxxx followed by the suffix, G for gas, GH for the propane dual fuel model, K for Kerosene. If all the WD propane's were dealer conversion, then there was no need for the PA suffix, but yet that is what this tractor has. I always assumed PA was for propane, but perhaps that is misplaced. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2011 at 3:53pm
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I just looked in two WD operating instruction manuals, the Form TM-9B refers to high compression engines as having the GA suffix, the later manual Form TM-9E refers to the high compression engines as having the PA suffix. So if would appear that the propane engine, whether if it was factory or especially if it was dealer installed, did not have a separate suffix. There would be no way for a dealer to "erase the old GA, KA, PA suffix" and there does not appear to have been any other WD suffix. I have only heard of the GA, KA, and PA suffixes and have tractors with each of those designations. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |