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westfork 
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Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 7:06am |
How is the pto engaged/disengaged? Can you go from a forward gear to reverse without disengaging the pto? Thanks
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 7:59am |
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mechanical lever or hydraulic clutch. either way when you push the foot clutch to change gears, the pto will disengage.
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westfork
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Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 8:09am |
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Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 5:55pm |
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Actually if I may, when you push the foot clutch, and the PTO is still spinning, (say you aren't using an overrun clutch on the PTO) then the trans will still be spinning, and the shifting will be hard at best, more likely grinding. When using a mower without an overrun on ours (hydraulic PTO) I depress the foot clutch, at the same time I place the PTO lever in "neutral" not "brake" shift gears, then reengage the PTO, and then ease the foot clutch out, and in most cases I only loose about half the RPM of the mower, so clutch wear is lessened, but more importantly, I haven't worn any hard trans parts.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 6:48pm |
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On my one nineties, if they are warmed up good, is to put the power director in neutral and shift the gears fast. Don't touch the foot clutch. Darrel
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westfork
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Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 9:16am |
Thanks to all for the info. The 190 sounds challenging to use with an old round baler. Baler does not have a kicker. Need to back up to drop the bale.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 9:38am |
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real similar to my 200 not a bit challenging. Bale gets done tying, slip her into reverse, back up dump bale and go again.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 11:25am |
 westfork wrote:
Thanks to all for the info.The 190 sounds challenging to use with an old round baler. Baler does not have a kicker. Need to back up to drop the bale. |
My dad custom baled throughout the 1980's with a Gehl 1500 and 190XT with hydraulic PTO. He never complained........ well he did complain about that Gehl baler. It made a real nice bale but was a bearing eater. Also it was no treat to work on. I've mentioned it here before that Dad would say to me as I helped get into tight spots to hold bolts in place, he'd say "if that engineer was here right now he'd be leaving with a hammer sticking out his head." Dad was never much for swearing but I did learn a new word or two working with him on that baler. Never the F word though.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 12:02pm |
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I have to side with Lonn, here. I absolutely love baling with my one ninety XT. When the bale gets full, put the power director in neutral. Tractor stops moving, PTO continues to turn. When you are done tying and ready to eject the bale, reach down and very quickly shift from your forward gear to reverse. Ease back on the power director lever until you've moved back far enough to eject the bale. Eject the bale. Shift back into your forward gear, and feather the power director back again until you've moved far enough ahead to close the tailgate. Close the tailgate. Pull the power director back and make another bale, and if the going is good throw the power director ahead into high. I've baled thousands of bales that way with my XT. As long as the baler doesn't miss a beat, I don't even touch the foot clutch, except to initially engage the PTO and put the tractor in gear. One advantage I did have was my new holland baler did have somewhat of a kicker so on flat ground, or uphill, I didn't have to back up before kicking the bale out. If I was going down hill, I did have to back up just like I described.
One night I helped a neighbor bale. He was talking up his tractor, because he had the forward / neutral / reverse shuttle, so he didn't have to keep his foot on the clutch pedal while his bale was tying. I said neither do I, but my tractor is 40 years older and 75,000 cheaper. Darrel
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Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 12:12pm |
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I don't think Dad ever even did that darrel. He just put the PD in N, tied, clutched to shift into reverse and backed up. Turn off PTO, opened the gate, grabbed PTO lever up into gear to roll the bale out, closed the gate and clutch again to shift into 7th gear and away to the next bale. He didn't do the short cuts you're talking about and he still never complained.
Yes a 7000 would be better and not much more money to get.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 3:51pm |
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When I had a baler without a kicker I would as the bale started to tie turn left or right make a 360 turn line backup with the windrow put pd in neutral kick out bale and start again
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