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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Absolutely awesome advice; thank you so much! I'm taking this all in and am definitely going to be using this. You're awesome. |
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4610 |
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How do you hand crank a D-17 Series 3 or 4?
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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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UPDATE: I have tried firing both of the D17s...
All of the fluids looked great. Oil was perfect. The Series III needed coolant topped off. Fuel tanks were both totally empty. I cleaned the fuel sediment filters. Changed out new spark plugs. Both tractors are turning over but not sparking or firing. Next step look into the carbs? Thank you for your help, everybody. It means a lot. |
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4610 |
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The first thing I would do is open the distributor cap. Borrow an emery board (for nails) from your wife and LIGHTLY clean the contacts on the points. Make sure the points are opening and gapped to .020.
Once you get spark, take the air filter hose off the carburetor and a little starting fluid in the carburetor and see if it fires.
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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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UPDATE: Not much progress.
Focusing on Series IV. Turns over but no spark. Replaced spark plugs. Filed points inside distributor. Replaced solenoid. Turning over but no spark and not firing. Where do I look next? |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 80407 |
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make sure the point is FILED GOOD... that is normaly what happens when setting for 10 years..... If its not that, then check for voltage ( 12v) at the coil.. If you have that, possibly the coil or condenser next to the point died out..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11755 |
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One thing I forgot to mention. You're fortunate that you have two of the same Tractor. I would start to tear one down first. As the project and time moves on, when it comes to reassembly time, if you're not sure how something went together, you always have the other Tractor to look at. That's worth a million questions in itself. Good luck! A lot of great info here from the family! Steve@B&B bb-customcircuits.com
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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UPDATE: Hired a mechanic to come out and he got both tractors running!
The Series III is running like a top, took her for a ride! The Seriee IV ran but needs a carb rebuild. I’m thrilled and very thankful for all of your advice and help! What a cool moment today to drive my childhood tractors for the first time in 15 years. Thank you all again. I’ll probably post more updates here as I slowly restore them. |
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CA13414
Silver Level Joined: 25 Feb 2024 Location: Nebraska Points: 260 |
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That is awesome and indeed, a great moment to drive your tractors again!! Congrats! |
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Helping the aged survive and thrive! 1953 CA
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4610 |
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Keep us updated!
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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Here's the video of the first drive of the Series III D17 in at least 12 years!
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Edited by Derricks - 09 Sep 2024 at 12:36pm |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11755 |
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Looks like there's a big smile embedded in yer' face! Might need surgery to remove it! Enjoy your Tractors man. There's nothin' like it....... Steve@B&B
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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tadams(OH)
Orange Level Access Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: Jeromesville, O Points: 10040 |
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Sounds great, as Steve said that smile looks great
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4610 |
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It is nice to see some young people with an AC interest!!!
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18789 |
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Tell us what the mechanic found. What was wrong?
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19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
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Derricks
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Thank you so much!!
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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Great question... Series III: I had tried turning it over and it was barely turning, I didn't want to push it. Mechanic found that one of the battery cables was bad, so he replaced it and it fired right up. Has been running great ever since. Series IV: First, the points needed to be shaved and reset to get spark. Then, the fuel lines to the carb were clogged and needed to be blown out. Lastly, the carburetor itself is gummed up and needs a rebuild (ordered the kit, he'll be back to do the rebuild). He got it running by bypassing the carburetor to narrow down that as the problem. Overall, it was all the things you all mentioned it would be but I just needed someone with the experience to troubleshoot it. I'm thrilled with all the help I've gotten on here and that they will have new life!! |
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jvin248
Silver Level Joined: 17 Jan 2022 Location: Detroit Points: 295 |
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. Before you do a full carb rebuild, get a harbor freight ultrasonic cleaner. I had a Ferguson 35 that had carb problems, did a rebuild and several manual cleanings and nothing worked. So yesterday I bought the smaller unit HF sells and it fit both halves of the carb plus a little mesh box for the small parts. A few cycles and installed it back on the tractor and fixed it. Works perfect again. So today I pulled my WD carb, since it hasn't run in a year due to a wiring repair I'm about to do on it, and am putting that in the machine for a few cycles to avoid any surprises when I get it ready to run again. .
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Derricks
Bronze Level Joined: 10 Aug 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Getting to the fun part!
Series III is getting a new shine. I do understand this isn't a proper restoration, but for my intentions I'm happy to see it running and looking better. |
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20260 |
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That tractor has had a Gleaner model "E" engine installed into it.
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5743 |
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Hee hee... I see what Doc saw! ;-) Anybody else notice it??
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5743 |
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So Derrek- When you're working with D17's, if you ever find yourself in a situation where it seems to want to start, but not run, or it cranks, but won't fire, but when you release the key, it either starts, or farts... Put a jumper wire from the battery, direct to the ignition coil's + side, and try again. If it starts and runs, you've got a bad ignition switch. The cylinder wears, and START terminal wears/corrodes over time and use... eventually, when you turn the key to START, the contacts to the STARTER work, but the IGNITION contact lifts away, so you don't get spark while cranking. Bypass the switch, and it'll work fine. A troubleshooting technique you should learn and perfect: Isolating ignition or fuel problems. To check ignition for basic operation: Disconnect the center (coil) wire at the distributor. Place it about a quarter-inch from the engine block, and turn the key, watch that gap- you SHOULD see a SNAP SNAP SNAP as the engine cranks. IF it doesn't snap, you have either a keyswitch, wiring, ignition points, or condenser problem. Connecting a voltmeter or test light between the coil + post and ground should indicate battery voltage with ignition on. When cranking, you'll see this vary as the engine rotates (the points are opening and closing). If you have a good solid snap, but no start, reconnect the wiring, and shoot a shot of something flammable into the carbeurator, then crank. If it pops, or tries to start, you have a fuel problem. D17 ignition system consists of contact points operated by a lobe on the distributor body. The most COMMON ignition problem of the D17, is wear of the distributor's shaft bushings, and when they wear, the breaker point cam doesn't operate the contact points so well... you get dropped cylinders/missing etc, and general naughty behaviour. Best way to immediately resolve this, is to have a spare rebuilt distributor, particularly one with a Pertronix Ignitor electronic conversion in it. Get with NJ Steve, he can probably get you one for your ready shelf. When you go to tear down one for a resto, send your old one in for a thorough rehab. Old battery cables suck. They suck water in, via capillary action... and you wind up with all those fine copper threads turning into pretty blue-green fuzz that doesn't carry electricity worth $#!t... so they crank slow, don't fire plugs, and are a general nuisance. When you do your resto, investo in a starter rebuild, new cables, and a new wiring harness, it'll be so much happier.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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