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FarmerJoeVT
Silver Level Joined: 19 Oct 2014 Location: Vermont Points: 58 |
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Tried a come-along and to give it a small tug with the truck and nothing. We verify the there are no remain bolts, that all hoses are not caught, and that the flexplate is not hung up and still no dice. Any is greatly appreciated.
Links to pictures, showing what we are seeing:
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FarmerJoeVT
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Still cant get it out, going to tractor supply or Lowes to get a come-long. Will update as soon as I can. Its still hung up on the flex plate. :(
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FarmerJoeVT
Silver Level Joined: 19 Oct 2014 Location: Vermont Points: 58 |
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Just a quick update: We had to drive one of my brothers back to Ohio, ahead of him starting his senior year of high school over the weekend. Arrived back early this morning (5:30am), I am now up and going. With nothing planned today other than removing that tranny. :) So I will try and level her out, aligning the bell housing and flex while continuing to move it toward the rear. I will post updates often and with any luck, she will be out and we can begin figuring out what parts need to get ordered. :)
Thanks again for everything you guys. Very respectfully, Brian
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DiyDave
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 50636 |
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Yup, I picked up on the flex plate tension, too. Looks like its in a bind, and holding up the works...
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Eric B
Orange Level Joined: 09 Feb 2012 Location: British Columbi Points: 890 |
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Good pictures!! That makes it much easier to see what's happening. I can see that your flex plate is caught and stuck in the bottom of the bell housing...you're going to need to lift your trannies up enough to be more perfectly in line with the engine before you can make progress, hope you haven't forgot one bolt that is hanging onto the converter?. Be sure to check that nothing from the frame, pipes, hoses, chains etc is interfering anywhere with movement toward the back. The flex plate looks quite warped at this point, if it wasn't previously broken it may have to be replaced before re-assembly. Keep at it!! You'll eventually get there.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
Silver Level Joined: 19 Oct 2014 Location: Vermont Points: 58 |
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Heres what I am seeing:
Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 07 Aug 2015 at 1:26pm |
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FarmerJoeVT
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The drive shaft is completely out of the way. We have the section a few inches out of the bell housing, but it is not enough to break her free. So we are trying to figure out a way to pull her even more out toward the back, so we can drop it down. Ill take some more pictures so you can all see what we are dealing with.
Thanks for all the help everyone. :)
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Eric B
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Brian: I thought back to some of the pictures you posted...in one I could still see the driveshaft. Have you disconnected the driveshaft from the differential as well? Unless you get it totally out of the way there won't be enough room to pull back the trannies. They need to come back in straight alignment with the engine, this is an absolute must upon installation procedure especially.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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Eric B
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I believe you said earlier that you removed all the bolts holding the converter to the flex plate? If the converter is freed from the flex plate and it is still in line with the shafts coming out of the front of the fwd/rev trans, you can keep it tucked in as close as possible to the tranny to clear space needed to drop it. Judging by the pictures and the video I'm concerned that the converter is partially away from the shafts and with dropping the weight down you could be doing damage to those shafts? If the converter is half way it's blocking the lowering movement. Given that you have enough room at the driveshaft end you should just keep moving it back. You may have enough resistance from the chains that backward movement is difficult. Just so you understand...even if you did not remove any bolts from the converter to the flex plate it would still slip apart from the front of the fwd/rev trans. as the converter simply slips over splined shafts. This does require a number of inches of movement away from the engine bell housing in order to come clear. Some mechanics remove the 4 speed trans. first to give more maneuvering room, others drop them still together.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
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Need some help trying to figure out how to get the bell housing to break free so we can lower the transmission. Please help. :) Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 06 Aug 2015 at 6:52pm |
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DiyDave
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[TUBE]http://youtu.be/fi1gTYqiFgY[/TUBE]
Looks like its hung at the top of the bell housing. try moving the chain foreward, to get better balance...
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Eric B
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You have made a lot of progress! Be sure to support the back end of the engine (under the bellhousing is good) before everything is separated. From your video it looks like the trannies are ready to drop down at any moment. You may need to use a suitable pry bar at the bellhousing . The next thing is more important at installation than at removal but to install a couple of studs into the bolt holes of the bellhousing (just cut the heads off two bolts and cut screw slots in the ends so you can thread them in and out using a screw driver) one on each side for the purpose of maintaining alignment of the components (as you are separating them or putting them back together). Next time we hear from you you've probably got it dislodged and all the way down.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
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Unbolted all the bolts around the bell housing, unmounted the support bracing, detached the selector lever for forward/reverse, and one hose of many. But not sure what is still holding her in place. Attaching pictures to show everyone the progress, hitting the hay after several hours of work. Video: https://youtu.be/fi1gTYqiFgY Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 06 Aug 2015 at 12:03am |
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Eric B
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If you look at the back of the bell housing (round circumference with bolts all around) all these bolts have to be removed, don't take out any bolts right a the back of the oil pan. I'm not sure which mounting bars are on the 715, side or bottom? Remove these mounts leaving enough room to lower the trannies. Hopefully you have removed the cooler lines and all linkages related to both trannies. You must make sure to have chains hooked one to each end so it doesn't tip when it's loose. This is very important as someone working underneath could be severely injured. Separate (pull back) the trans at the bell housing making sure the torque converter stays with the transmission but be careful because if the trannies lean forward the converter can fall off. As soon as there is room tie a wire across the front of the trans. to be sure the converter does not fall off unexpectedly. You can remove it nicely when you have room...oil will come out of the centre, lay it down and cover the hole with a clean rag. I'm sure you can see when everything is ready to be lowered to the ground. Once you get that far I would celebrate like maybe go to DQ or...?? LOL
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
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Heres a better quality video of what we have accomplished thus far. Need guidance on what to do next, to lower the transmission out and where to unbolt it from.
Thanks Link to video: https://youtu.be/6cDHTBGd0vI
Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 05 Aug 2015 at 5:38pm |
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FarmerJoeVT
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Update: we have dropped the driveshaft, removed the bell housing inspection cover, and flywheel bolts. Whats next? Please help.
https://youtu.be/fJMAh9L4CgA - redoing this video now for better quality.
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FarmerJoeVT
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Thanks Eric, I will give that a try tonight. :)
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Eric B
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You see the four bolts to the right in the picture, they hold the flange in place. Remove the bolts and use a bar to push the shaft back just slightly. Taking the U-joints apart is the hard way...you can easily lose some of the needle bearings in there too.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
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I started labeling and prepping everything last night. I removed the c-clips from the u-joint on the driveshaft and the one end cap that has bearings in it. But I am unable to slide it apart or remove the rod. Is a trick or something I am missing.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 05 Aug 2015 at 10:20am |
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Dgrader
Orange Level Joined: 17 Jan 2015 Location: Newton,IL Points: 1037 |
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That hoist should handle the whole piece. Take out driveshaft and unbolt from engine and let her down.
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Ya cain't fix stupid.
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FarmerJoeVT
Silver Level Joined: 19 Oct 2014 Location: Vermont Points: 58 |
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Update: received the 2 ton hoist in the mail, attached it to a logging chain strung up and around the cab and ran through the floor around the transmission. (as suggested by a genius on this site, if I hadn't I'd still be trying to figure out that step) :)
Next: figuring out how and what order to break it all down and safely lower it to the ground and not on my face, figure out whats broken, order replacement parts from ?, install parts, and lift / secure it back on the tractor. Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 03 Aug 2015 at 3:01pm |
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FarmerJoeVT
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I'm the tall lanky one in the middle ;), the two others are my brothers (Thomas left and Brandon right). They are both anixous to get it running and digging, wanting to help me out with all the projects around the house while I am at work during the day. We've been getting loads of free fill dropped off all week and we are starting to run out of room for them to dump it. I have placed a couple ads on craiglist list for any mechanics in the areas, to see if I can hire someone to help once we have it removed and for reinstalling it once its repaired but have not recieved anything solid yet. I am hoping the hoist arrives today, so I can lower it tonight. I will be sure to post pictures throughout the process and will be looking for advice / guidance from everyone here who have been such a blessing through this process. So I appreciate everyones help past - present - and for the forseeable future. :) Very respectfully, Brian and crewEdited by FarmerJoeVT - 23 Jul 2015 at 1:21pm |
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Eric B
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Good move!! Glad you're taking Coke's advice about flat ground and as he said get some heavy plywood on top of the ground. Great support of the machine!! You guys would make good house movers too . Have you looked for "procedure" in your manual? If your transmission support jack is big enough you can remove both trannies together otherwise take out the 4 speed first and then the fwd rev trans. Good thing you are a team of three, which of the three are you Brian? Take care and be safe! Eric.
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
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Update: moved her to flatter ground, lifted it off the ground, and placed it on planks. I ordered a hoist, which should arrive today or tomorrow. Any suggestions on what order to unbolt it when the hoist arrives?
Thanks,
Brian
aka FarmerJoeVT
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FarmerJoeVT
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Hi Eric,
So I guess you are declining my offer then. ;) I agree with you completely and posted something on craigslist in an attempt to find a mechanic that can work on it for us. I will keep you all posted. Thanks V/r Brian |
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Eric B
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Brian: If you have no takers on your offer I suggest you take that money and look around for a good local mechanic, this is not really a beginners sample of a job. I don't mean to discourage you but it won't be that many hours for someone that's used to doing this. If you think getting it apart is tricky it is generally trickier to get the components aligned and joined back together without damaging seals etc. After all you want to get back to pushing dirt etc. before the season is over. The machine is really of no value to you until it's running again
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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FarmerJoeVT
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If anyone has any free time and would be willing to come help us work on this, we would be happy to fly you out here to Vermont. Plus we will make you good food and cake to sweeten the deal. :)
Very respectfully, Brian
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Dgrader
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I took a chain and wrapped it around the cab above the steering wheel. Then used a 2 ton chain hoist hooked to that chain and lowered it to the ground. Did the same thing putting it back in. Where your at you need to do like Coke said and get something solid under the hoe.
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Ya cain't fix stupid.
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Coke-in-MN
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get it on level ground - get a couple sheets of steel or plywood (3/4") to work on and to support jack - if you want more working room raise machine using buck and backhoe legs , then block machine in that up position using cribbing to make sure it is stable
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FarmerJoeVT
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Thank you Eric, Any suggestions on how to lower it via a jack on a dirt driveway. Im concerned about the jack sinking into the dirt and then not being able to move it.
Thanks
Brian
Edited by FarmerJoeVT - 17 Jul 2015 at 3:55pm |
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