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 Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:50pm |
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Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here |
Coming from the guy who thinks a combine engine is junk. I love mine, won me plenty of trophies...
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:47pm |
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A few minutes ago they were .300 shorter sbc valves, then .300 shorter bbc valves, stovk valves and now .100 long sbc valves.
You really have no idea
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:42pm |
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why buy the springs they are readily availlable in shop cause i use them on so many race engines we do. sbc valve .100 long if you run the part number ps they are 36.00 a piece that really doent say much for your knowledge i tell you it 300 shorter than factory and you cant figure out without me telling you its a sbc. 100 longer than stock
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:36pm |
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rod exhuast valve is ferra ferf1134p-1 the intakes are manley i still have 4 on shelve can get part number 2morrow when i am in the shop . spring weight is static not near as much power robing as a heavy valve . Intake valve is 96 grams that i use.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:27pm |
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Bbc valves are 5.422 long. That's more than .300 more than 4.910.
You really don't follow yourself well and have no basic math skills. Better go edit your posts as no where do uou say to remove the inner spring. Why buy a $350 set of springs anyway?
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:24pm |
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Iffin I were you, you got a WD, pull that. Have fun with it. rake hay with it.That is the pure essence of pulling , not building big cube engines, later, if you get addicted to pulling and win the lottery, then the skies the limit...... |
That's the route I want to go Gary... and just have some fun with my WD. Don't think there is any places that pull the hot rod antique tractors around close me anyway. I think a person has to "glean" all information given on the Internet. ... And or elsewhere. But those who " show their work" and show "the results" in the quest for more power , get the most respect.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:20pm |
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You're lack of experience and knowledge is really showing here. You say to use .300 shorter sbc valves.
Sbc valves are 4.910 and 5.025 long. Shorten them .300 and you can't install the spring. If Installed spring height to 1.8 you'd be cutting through the top of the head. You're Comp spring 944 is 1.570 diameter with a spring rate of 753 pounds per inch. At 1.8 installed height it's at 302 pounds on the seat, after .600 of lift it's at 754 pounds. But you've got even shorter valves. It don't fit.
The 920 spring will work out, barely.
Why use such large diameter springs anyway? They add weight to the spring and rob power. |
you dont follow well if you read the heavier valve sprin topic you will find that i only use and only say to use the outer spring but i do see you read it to find the pressures that it has in my post using it as a double spring like sold. Your lack of knowledge is showing the sbc valves are the length you posted and that is .300 shorter than the factory allis valves that are the same length as a bbc valve if i remember correctly offcoarse you wouldnt know that cause you havent ever been into a 226 engine to even know that the exhaust spring seats down into a macined recess thats not machined around the intake guides
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You're lack of experience and knowledge is really showing here. You say to use .300 shorter sbc valves.
Sbc valves are 4.910 and 5.025 long. Shorten them .300 and you can't install the spring. If Installed spring height to 1.8 you'd be cutting through the top of the head. You're Comp spring 944 is 1.570 diameter with a spring rate of 753 pounds per inch. At 1.8 installed height it's at 302 pounds on the seat, after .600 of lift it's at 754 pounds. But you've got even shorter valves. It don't fit.
The 920 spring will work out, barely.
Why use such large diameter springs anyway? They add weight to the spring and rob power.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:13pm |
Ihateillinoisnazis wrote:
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Ihateillinoisnazis wrote:
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[QUOTE=arcticcat]Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here |
becareful name calling will get you gone. so barney taylors valves spring recomendations are no good . |
No it won't, it hasn't yet.
If anything deliberately making an off topic post (Smack Talk) in a specific section of a forum aimed at pulling to do nothing more than stir the pot should get you kicked off the forum.
You're a waste of bandwidth. [/QUOTEif i was you and had no mechanical input to the forum I wouldnt push it much. |
Are you trying to play moderator now Spankey?
Go cry a river somewhere else. |
nope just take him at his word
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:10pm |
mlpankey wrote:
Ihateillinoisnazis wrote:
mlpankey wrote:
[QUOTE=arcticcat]Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here |
becareful name calling will get you gone. so barney taylors valves spring recomendations are no good . |
No it won't, it hasn't yet.
If anything deliberately making an off topic post (Smack Talk) in a specific section of a forum aimed at pulling to do nothing more than stir the pot should get you kicked off the forum.
You're a waste of bandwidth. [/QUOTEif i was you and had no mechanical input to the forum I wouldnt push it much. |
Are you trying to play moderator now Spankey?
Go cry a river somewhere else.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:08pm |
Ihateillinoisnazis wrote:
mlpankey wrote:
[QUOTE=arcticcat]Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here |
becareful name calling will get you gone. so barney taylors valves spring recomendations are no good . |
No it won't, it hasn't yet.
If anything deliberately making an off topic post (Smack Talk) in a specific section of a forum aimed at pulling to do nothing more than stir the pot should get you kicked off the forum.
You're a waste of bandwidth. [/QUOTEif i was you and had no mechanical input to the forum I wouldnt push it much.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 9:04pm |
mlpankey wrote:
arcticcat wrote:
Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here |
becareful name calling will get you gone. so barney taylors valves spring recomendations are no good . |
No it won't, it hasn't yet.
If anything deliberately making an off topic post (Smack Talk) in a specific section of a forum aimed at pulling to do nothing more than stir the pot should get you kicked off the forum.
You're a waste of bandwidth.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:55pm |
arcticcat wrote:
Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here |
becareful name calling will get you gone. so barney taylors valves spring recomendations are no good .
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:51pm |
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Get panky the out of here he is an idiot mr moderater please help us send him out of here
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:43pm |
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Now I've heard it all. .300 shorter valves and springs so stiff it takes an extra 5hp to operate the valve train. You got the part # for those valves? |
yeap standard sbc you want manley or ferra . the valves pretty well fix the factory rocker arm geometry issues . not to mention .300 less mass to make up a extra 10 hp for the 5 as you say lost .
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:14pm |
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Cyberspace is getting filled up with crap!
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 8:07pm |
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Now I've heard it all. .300 shorter valves and springs so stiff it takes an extra 5hp to operate the valve train. You got the part # for those valves?
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 5:56pm |
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Iffin I were you, you got a WD, pull that. Have fun with it. rake hay with it.That is the pure essence of pulling , not building big cube engines, later, if you get addicted to pulling and win the lottery, then the skies the limit......
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 5:12pm |
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micheal if you notice . Rod, Illinoisnazi ,atriccat have nothing for you and your question . Like I posted and give credit to the guys whom I listen to and those three along with marty and butch arent the ones . Marty doesnt even post part numbers why he wants to support his pulling and farming from selling the same stuff he has read to use to you from my posts .
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 5:07pm |
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Sounds like a lot of work to be 50 feet behind in the classic 4mph class and 100 feet behind in the outlaw class.
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it is thats why you set in the bleachers |
...And it's where you SHOULD be sitting.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 5:02pm |
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Sounds like a lot of work to be 50 feet behind in the classic 4mph class and 100 feet behind in the outlaw class.
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it is thats why you set in the bleachers
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 5:01pm |
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Sounds like a lot of work to be 50 feet behind in the classic 4mph class and 100 feet behind in the outlaw class.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 4:59pm |
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Yeap patrick when i first started you had people like dr.allis barney taylor jt ritchardson who would offer advice if you took time to lesson. Dr.and barney ran the same inches barney used 920 comp cam springs chevy valves jt used chevy springs ford valve the dr used dodge springs. They all three ran 4 5/8 bore . Two of them ran 5.8 stroke. jt ground cams barney sold cams jt ground . dr.had the 175 cam with one soft lobe that they were pretty much pattern after on jts cam doctor.i listened added some of my thoughts bought used 400 plus cube engines for even more insight and started building. Next thing you know i was putting stress on parts that were common for builds. Jt passed Barny quit doing 226 engines and the dr likes d17. Here is what I listen to and do with credit going to where it should . Valve I use chevy .300 shorter than factory idea came from barney he uses them in 11/32 stem size .I changed the stem size to 5/16 . I run 920 comp springs on the intakes again came from barn. I run 944 on exhaust came from me. The cam i use now came from Larry in ohio He had a isky cam that was to large and I traded him a jt ground cam for it . I then dealt with Ron Iskyderian on some changes specifically splatter patterns . The carb I used came from Jt richardson The stroke and bore spacing came from two engines one was Tarbills and the other Ronnie Shipman done . The rods well the first rods the farmalls came from mcdaniels in alabama the next rods the buda came from barney and jt . The next rods where seeing shipmans and liking them over some of the others floating around seeing that a set of the others i had in tarbills old block. Pistons arias was the first sold them to ken dakin that brand recomendation came from mcdaniels . Barn used ross . I worked with J and E for the last few engines that came from racing . The 4 7/8 bore came from me after seeing Shipmans 4 3/4 bore and measuring . I took a old head gasket layed out a template from that machined a deck plate and moved on when searching for a standard sleeve stock and not wanting the expense of custom sleeves i came upon on the sleeve for the 4 7/8 bore |
Talking to Brandon Karpel yesterday he said quote these guys have no idea at the work or expense that goes into keeping a big engine up. He is right. Go for it be the first to beat me to 500 inches in a 226 block thats my goal and I am getting close. anyone up for it |
Quoting and talking to himself again, he's lost it... Similar to his pulling endeavors. |
as long as you take the time to read it I know I am still teaching and carrying on the tradition the above men started in the allis antique pullling community
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 4:57pm |
mlpankey wrote:
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Yeap patrick when i first started you had people like dr.allis barney taylor jt ritchardson who would offer advice if you took time to lesson. Dr.and barney ran the same inches barney used 920 comp cam springs chevy valves jt used chevy springs ford valve the dr used dodge springs. They all three ran 4 5/8 bore . Two of them ran 5.8 stroke. jt ground cams barney sold cams jt ground . dr.had the 175 cam with one soft lobe that they were pretty much pattern after on jts cam doctor.i listened added some of my thoughts bought used 400 plus cube engines for even more insight and started building. Next thing you know i was putting stress on parts that were common for builds. Jt passed Barny quit doing 226 engines and the dr likes d17. Here is what I listen to and do with credit going to where it should . Valve I use chevy .300 shorter than factory idea came from barney he uses them in 11/32 stem size .I changed the stem size to 5/16 . I run 920 comp springs on the intakes again came from barn. I run 944 on exhaust came from me. The cam i use now came from Larry in ohio He had a isky cam that was to large and I traded him a jt ground cam for it . I then dealt with Ron Iskyderian on some changes specifically splatter patterns . The carb I used came from Jt richardson The stroke and bore spacing came from two engines one was Tarbills and the other Ronnie Shipman done . The rods well the first rods the farmalls came from mcdaniels in alabama the next rods the buda came from barney and jt . The next rods where seeing shipmans and liking them over some of the others floating around seeing that a set of the others i had in tarbills old block. Pistons arias was the first sold them to ken dakin that brand recomendation came from mcdaniels . Barn used ross . I worked with J and E for the last few engines that came from racing . The 4 7/8 bore came from me after seeing Shipmans 4 3/4 bore and measuring . I took a old head gasket layed out a template from that machined a deck plate and moved on when searching for a standard sleeve stock and not wanting the expense of custom sleeves i came upon on the sleeve for the 4 7/8 bore |
Talking to Brandon Karpel yesterday he said quote these guys have no idea at the work or expense that goes into keeping a big engine up. He is right. Go for it be the first to beat me to 500 inches in a 226 block thats my goal and I am getting close. anyone up for it |
Quoting and talking to himself again, he's lost it... Similar to his pulling endeavors.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 4:37pm |
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Yeap patrick when i first started you had people like dr.allis barney taylor jt ritchardson who would offer advice if you took time to lesson. Dr.and barney ran the same inches barney used 920 comp cam springs chevy valves jt used chevy springs ford valve the dr used dodge springs. They all three ran 4 5/8 bore . Two of them ran 5.8 stroke. jt ground cams barney sold cams jt ground . dr.had the 175 cam with one soft lobe that they were pretty much pattern after on jts cam doctor.i listened added some of my thoughts bought used 400 plus cube engines for even more insight and started building. Next thing you know i was putting stress on parts that were common for builds. Jt passed Barny quit doing 226 engines and the dr likes d17. Here is what I listen to and do with credit going to where it should . Valve I use chevy .300 shorter than factory idea came from barney he uses them in 11/32 stem size .I changed the stem size to 5/16 . I run 920 comp springs on the intakes again came from barn. I run 944 on exhaust came from me. The cam i use now came from Larry in ohio He had a isky cam that was to large and I traded him a jt ground cam for it . I then dealt with Ron Iskyderian on some changes specifically splatter patterns . The carb I used came from Jt richardson The stroke and bore spacing came from two engines one was Tarbills and the other Ronnie Shipman done . The rods well the first rods the farmalls came from mcdaniels in alabama the next rods the buda came from barney and jt . The next rods where seeing shipmans and liking them over some of the others floating around seeing that a set of the others i had in tarbills old block. Pistons arias was the first sold them to ken dakin that brand recomendation came from mcdaniels . Barn used ross . I worked with J and E for the last few engines that came from racing . The 4 7/8 bore came from me after seeing Shipmans 4 3/4 bore and measuring . I took a old head gasket layed out a template from that machined a deck plate and moved on when searching for a standard sleeve stock and not wanting the expense of custom sleeves i came upon on the sleeve for the 4 7/8 bore |
Talking to Brandon Karpel yesterday he said quote these guys have no idea at the work or expense that goes into keeping a big engine up. He is right. Go for it be the first to beat me to 500 inches in a 226 block thats my goal and I am getting close. anyone up for it
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I dont know MR Pankey but i do find the back and forth entertaining
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and the band plays on
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Can anyone banned panky he does not no what he is doing let alone giving advise banned this moron
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Yeap patrick when i first started you had people like dr.allis barney taylor jt ritchardson who would offer advice if you took time to lesson. Dr.and barney ran the same inches barney used 920 comp cam springs chevy valves jt used chevy springs ford valve the dr used dodge springs. They all three ran 4 5/8 bore . Two of them ran 5.8 stroke. jt ground cams barney sold cams jt ground . dr.had the 175 cam with one soft lobe that they were pretty much pattern after on jts cam doctor.i listened added some of my thoughts bought used 400 plus cube engines for even more insight and started building. Next thing you know i was putting stress on parts that were common for builds. Jt passed Barny quit doing 226 engines and the dr likes d17. Here is what I listen to and do with credit going to where it should . Valve I use chevy .300 shorter than factory idea came from barney he uses them in 11/32 stem size .I changed the stem size to 5/16 . I run 920 comp springs on the intakes again came from barn. I run 944 on exhaust came from me. The cam i use now came from Larry in ohio He had a isky cam that was to large and I traded him a jt ground cam for it . I then dealt with Ron Iskyderian on some changes specifically splatter patterns . The carb I used came from Jt richardson The stroke and bore spacing came from two engines one was Tarbills and the other Ronnie Shipman done . The rods well the first rods the farmalls came from mcdaniels in alabama the next rods the buda came from barney and jt . The next rods where seeing shipmans and liking them over some of the others floating around seeing that a set of the others i had in tarbills old block. Pistons arias was the first sold them to ken dakin that brand recomendation came from mcdaniels . Barn used ross . I worked with J and E for the last few engines that came from racing . The 4 7/8 bore came from me after seeing Shipmans 4 3/4 bore and measuring . I took a old head gasket layed out a template from that machined a deck plate and moved on when surching for a standard sleeve stock and not wanting the expense of custom sleeves i came upon on the sleeve for the 4 7/8 bore
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