![]() |
This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | |||||
| The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History | |
wagon vs trailer |
Post Reply
|
| Author | |
jaybmiller
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24863 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Topic: wagon vs trailerPosted: 22 Jul 2021 at 5:37am |
|
Ok, I'm kinda bored and started to wunder..... Say a tractor is rated to pull 3000#, could you pull more using a 4 wheel 'wagon' instead of a 2 wheeled 'trailer' ? To me a 'trailer' (1 or 2 axle) puts some of the weight on the tongue ,so backend of the tractor .. but a 'wagon' doesn't have any 'tongue' weight . I've seen pics of tractors pulling 2-3 wagons of big bales,got be curious about load capacity of trailer vs wagon.... Jay
|
|
|
3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
|
![]() |
|
| Sponsored Links | |
![]() |
|
DrAllis
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 22285 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 5:50am |
|
Any time you put downward force on the drawbar you are boosting the traction.
|
|
![]() |
|
Tbone95
Orange Level Access
Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12319 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 6:59am |
|
Pulling something like a wagon, yeah, you'll lose traction before you run out of power most likely. Depends on so many things. How fast are you going to pull it, what surface are you on, any slope, how much does your pulling vehicle weigh, and how quickly do you want to get it moving (acceleration) . Force = mass * acceleration. I've pulled 120 square bales on a wagon with a 335cc quad. Don't make a habit of it, but I did it. Get something with tongue weight, a lot of it, and you can draw your tractor right down to stall without spinning.
Edited by Tbone95 - 22 Jul 2021 at 7:00am |
|
![]() |
|
steve(ill)
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 89104 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:00am |
|
just make sure you got the BRAKES for the load !
|
|
|
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
|
![]() |
|
allisbred
Orange Level Access
Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Location: Hanover Pa Points: 1011 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:11am |
|
The big issue with applying too much tongue weight would be draw bar rating. We have sheared a draw bar before with a fertilizer cart (guessing it was shock loaded). I would just guess that ~1200#’s would be around max weight for a 180-200 draw bar, then the 3 pt would handle up to 4000-5000#’s for optimum traction, heavier would need to be distributed over multiple wheels like a wagon.
|
|
![]() |
|
Dusty MI
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5060 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:41am |
|
If you should need to back up, a trailer is a lot easier.
Dusty
|
|
|
917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express"
|
|
![]() |
|
Luke114
Bronze Level
Joined: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Washington Points: 109 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 10:36am |
|
Sounds like an interesting math problem expressed with some differential equations including variables of mass, friction, traction, gravity, slope, beers consumed, etc.
My gut reaction is 4 wheel wagon for fairly flat and dry ground, trailer for conditions where traction is an issue. And if you are pulling your hay wagon through the mud, traction may be the least of your worries!
![]() |
|
![]() |
|
Acdiesel
Orange Level
Joined: 15 Jun 2012 Location: Rochester Ohio Points: 2584 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 10:43am |
I agree with Steve, its more for Braking safety (IMO) Dan
|
|
|
D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3
2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
|
![]() |
|
Alberta Phil
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3949 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 3:28pm |
|
Most trailers have brakes, most wagons don't. Also, most wagons are not rated for higher speeds.
|
|
![]() |
|
steve(ill)
Orange Level Access
Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 89104 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 3:53pm |
|
Im thinking pulling a 10,000 pound wagon down a hill with a 4000 pound tractor... TRACTOR better have brakes.
|
|
|
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
|
![]() |
|
Post Reply
|
|
|
Tweet
|
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |