wagon vs trailer
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Topic: wagon vs trailer
Posted By: jaybmiller
Subject: wagon vs trailer
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 5:37am
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Ok, I'm kinda bored and started to wunder..... Say a tractor is rated to pull 3000#, could you pull more using a 4 wheel 'wagon' instead of a 2 wheeled 'trailer' ? To me a 'trailer' (1 or 2 axle) puts some of the weight on the tongue ,so backend of the tractor .. but a 'wagon' doesn't have any 'tongue' weight . I've seen pics of tractors pulling 2-3 wagons of big bales,got be curious about load capacity of trailer vs wagon.... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 5:50am
| Any time you put downward force on the drawbar you are boosting the traction. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 6:59am
| Pulling something like a wagon, yeah, you'll lose traction before you run out of power most likely. Depends on so many things. How fast are you going to pull it, what surface are you on, any slope, how much does your pulling vehicle weigh, and how quickly do you want to get it moving (acceleration) . Force = mass * acceleration. I've pulled 120 square bales on a wagon with a 335cc quad. Don't make a habit of it, but I did it. Get something with tongue weight, a lot of it, and you can draw your tractor right down to stall without spinning. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:00am
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just make sure you got the BRAKES for the load ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:11am
| The big issue with applying too much tongue weight would be draw bar rating. We have sheared a draw bar before with a fertilizer cart (guessing it was shock loaded). I would just guess that ~1200#’s would be around max weight for a 180-200 draw bar, then the 3 pt would handle up to 4000-5000#’s for optimum traction, heavier would need to be distributed over multiple wheels like a wagon. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 8:41am
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If you should need to back up, a trailer is a lot easier. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Luke114
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 10:36am
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Sounds like an interesting math problem expressed with some differential equations including variables of mass, friction, traction, gravity, slope, beers consumed, etc. My gut reaction is 4 wheel wagon for fairly flat and dry ground, trailer for conditions where traction is an issue. And if you are pulling your hay wagon through the mud, traction may be the least of your worries!
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Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 10:43am
I agree with Steve, its more for Braking safety (IMO) Dan ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 3:28pm
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Most trailers have brakes, most wagons don't. Also, most wagons are not rated for higher speeds. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 3:53pm
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Im thinking pulling a 10,000 pound wagon down a hill with a 4000 pound tractor... TRACTOR better have brakes. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |