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jaybmiller
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Don't know if it's common knowledge but.... It takes a LOT less people to build electric cars than gas ones ! MILLIONS of jobs LOST, not just $$assembly line at GM but parts suppliers... good news , more gas/cheaper price for those of us with 'old skool' rides !
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29569 |
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Less jobs mean less taxes to support as well less expendable income to buy such travesties of engineering.
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modirt
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked GM where THEY think the electric power will come from to power all these cars? |
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tadams(OH)
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That what another car manufacture said also
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NEVER green
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Carefully read what modirt and DMiller said and then try the claim its not ludicrous. You meant the word ,not the rapper, correct????
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2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50
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jaybmiller
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re: Just out of curiosity, has anyone asked GM where THEY think the electric power will come from to power all these cars? probably .......'outta the wall plug ' ????
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modirt
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Next step is states gotta come up with a way to pay for roads. Fuel taxes no longer being collected. Probably will have to pay by the mile driven.......but mile driven where? In state? Out of state? Get a toll bill in the mail? GPS in your care rats you out? Calls home to momma......errrr......Big Brother. And if tax per mile goes up, and I stop driving at all? Whose gonna fill them shoes?
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modirt
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I'm thinking these electric cars will be nothing like your Grandma's Lincoln. Rather more like a luxury golf cart......with a practical range of about 50 miles.......so the majority can drive to work or short trips to the store......nothing at all like driving a car. Maybe some heat but probably not AC......except for the kind I had in my first car. It was the 4-60 model. Roll down 4 windows and drive 60 mph. Beats peddling a bicycle, but that's about it. The upscale models may have an oversized canopy top with solar panels. Park it in the sun all day and it might get you home?
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tadams(OH)
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can you imagine the electical service a housing development would need if say 50 to 75 homes had 2 electric cars setting on a chager every night.
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DMiller
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Unless buying top of the line Tesla not worth the powder to blow them to he** and gone. I do NOT fit thru the doors on most, niece had a Prius, tried to take us out to dinner, I could NOT squeeze down enough to get in it. GM Volt is smaller than a Chevette and not once could ever master getting into one of those.
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jaybmiller
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re: can you imagine the electical service a housing development would need
if say 50 to 75 homes had 2 electric cars setting on a chager every
night. no need to imagine..easy arithmetic,grade5 level ?? ...EACH house requires a 400A service, 200A for the house, 100A for EACH e-car. 200A (for e-cars) x 50 homes = 10,000 Amps 10,000 Amp x 240 Volts = 2.4MW. That's 2.4 MEGAWATTS capacity for that subvision. As to ACTUAL power used, that'll depend on time of day, battery level, etc. BUT the 'grid' must be built to 'have the ability' to supply that obscene amount of power 24/7. Just remember this is but one small subdivision,in one city..... |
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DMiller
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Oh but the "Smart" Grid will fix all that, the Deep freeze using too much power will get cycled off and that cow you just put in left to go rot. Then the AC will cycle up to 79 degrees F so as to NOT cycle thru the night where can enjoy the sleeplessness of night sweats or furnace down to 60 so will need a extra blanket or two in Winter. GREAT ideas for keeping Usage Down. No need to keep the night lights or the asleep PC powered and can charge your phone in the car on the way to work.
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AllisFreak MN
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I wonder what road salt will do to all the electrical junk. Also, the heater will have to be electric since no antifreeze, that should drain the batteries in a hurry I would think. Up North you need a good heater when it's -20.
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steve(ill)
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GEES.... the story just keeps getting BETTER and BETTER !!!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Herb(GA)
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Tow trucks will be busy. Herb(GA)
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steve(ill)
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BYOB ???............... Bring Your Own BATTERY ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DMiller
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Can see them in Temperate climes NOT high heat as that zaps batteries nor extreme cold or road treatments use as that is just as destructive. Good luck to those that buy and use them, I will not unless forced to.
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jaybmiller
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I can just see the battery going down,down,down while the owner sits in the nice heated seats,listening to the high powered radio, while the defrosters melt the inch of ice off, as the battery heater tries to warm up the battery just enough to get the car rolling......
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tadams(OH)
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Have to have battery heaters so the cold don't drain them
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Walker
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More Eagle grinders.
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steve(ill)
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A heat-pump cabin heater has been adopted for heating an electric vehicle (EV), using less power than conventional models. It greatly improves power consumption when the heater is being used. Nissan LEAF is the first mass-produced vehicle in the world to employ a heat-pump cabin heater. Gasoline vehicles re-use engine exhaust heat to provide the warm air for the functions of the heater. An EV, however, does not have this heat source to recycle and so uses its general power for cabin heating. Conventional air-conditioning systems used an electrical heater, but since the use of the heater directly relates to power consumption, actual driving range was significantly reduced. A heat-pump system, meanwhile, heats the cabin using the temperature difference between a refrigerant and the outside air, obtaining a heating effect other than consuming electricity, and making it possible to heat the car cabin with less power than conventionally. When the heater is in use, the external capacitor absorbs heat from the atmosphere [1] and then compresses it into high-temperature heat [2]. The cold air in the cabin is heated [3] and hot air is blown into the cabin out of the air-conditioning grille [4]. After the heat decompresses to a low temperature, it is released out of the car [5]. In the summer, heat is absorbed from inside the cabin and released outside by the external capacitor, functioning as a cooling and heating system. A heat-pump is unique in that with one refrigerant circuit it can be used for both cooling and heating, with the heat from the outside air being transferable to the cabin just by the power consumption of the pump. A more efficient air-conditioning system is achieved through optimization of the heat exchanger design that implements low power consumption, along with heating and cooling according to set temperatures, and temperature control when switching between cooler and heater that optimally adjust the compressor rotation. Edited by steve(ill) - 02 Feb 2021 at 3:50pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DMiller
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Still takes energy to power up that capacitor, who are they trying to fool? Heat Pump Shmeat Pump, if is using energy STILL affects end use distance and the colder the climate the worse that consumption. Summer and you can probably get 5-10 degrees variant to outside air temp, below 20 F in winter maybe could make enough heat to defrost part of w/s.
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AllisFreak MN
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I know most electric heaters draw a lot of juice, and if the vehicle has to sit outside all day or night in subzero temps they take a long time to warm up the cabin. They must assume that the vehicle will be always parked indoors? Maybe they have a trick I don't know about to produce heat. If any of you have a manifold heater on your diesel Allis engine you know what I mean about power draw, you can watch it drain the battery on the meter and that is only heating a small space.
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Mikez
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how does owning one work. Should have to pay road use and power line use tax.
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shameless dude
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i kept seeing commercials about the new GMC electric full size pickup...but now they have stopped, don't see the commercials anymore.
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DMiller
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Big failure in testing, unable to carry much load for any considered distance, storage battery was IMMENSE and a load in itself.
Then this morning Chevy Prototype was displayed on MSN BUTT Ugly.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21490 |
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wow... a 4 door version of the Willys FC-170 !! I'd still rather have an FC-150 ( short bed version of the Forward Cab 170) though !!!
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jaybmiller
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re: Should have to pay road use and power line use tax. No one really pays a 'road tax' up here, unless you use the Ontario taxpayer paid for toll road that we sold to foreigners decades ago....HUGE money maker for them... Anyone with an e-cr does pay 'power line use' tax... well cost, same as me... Currently I pay 25 cents per kWh, which includes a delivery fee, line loss fee, storage fee,etc.as well as taxed taxes on it all as well..... one problem with e-cars is who pays for the 'infrastructure' upgrades. ALL taxpayers but only a very,very few USE it. I do like the 'Qi charger on steroids' made for them though. Stop at a light, it'll top up your ecar and send you the bill.....
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DMiller
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In MO with "Other" fuels sources they have a "Alternate Fuels Road Tax" and depends on Daily Driver or Limited Use. My LP Farm Truck was $100 Fuel tax Permit up front with License, had a W/S Sticker so could buy fuel otherwise NO SALE. Electric Cars will require similar 'Alternate Fuels' tax stamp and Receipt.
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modirt
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The more I hear about electric vehicles, the idea comes to me if the fleet were now electric and a gas or diesel vehicle was being proposed, the market would flip to G or D in a heartbeat. That suggests to me the electric vehicles are not a better mousetrap. Quite the opposite in fact. So something else is going on. Pretty much know what it is, but hard to fathom the general public will be willing to go along with having this rammed down their throats for no good reason. The time to make the switch is when the technology arrives to make it the better choice. We are not there yet.
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