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DrAllis 
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Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 5:46am |
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I have seen a couple that turned the lever around and pointed it forward. Actually worked pretty good.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 10:53pm |
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someone before me added height to the PTO lever on my XT, made it a lot better than the way it was before.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 6:35pm |
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190 hydraulic PTO lever could have been a few inches higher but it sure beats the very early 190 manual rod with a knob that sat flat on the floor under the left side of the seat. That was a terrible idea.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 4:58pm |
Sadly, the PTO placement on the 190 (hydraulic activation) leaves a little to be desired 
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 4:53pm |
Not on mine either  . thanks for your info Tbone and Happy Easter !!
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 4:48pm |
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I was wrong, the hydraulic levers are to the right of the steering wheel on a 560. D19 wins hands down for hydraulic lever placement. |
 ,to me, the left-of-seat hydraulic lever set-up was just BASS-AKWARD for a right hand operator  . The throttle, P/D lever and the "natural" reflex to look over the right shoulder(to me anyhow) made for VERY long tillage days  . Seems like there was a hydraulic lever set-up on an off-colored tractor situated on the "hump" between the seat and steering column ?? I've been on Olivers, 30 series Cases, Fergusons, Massey's, I/H's , blue Fords, and sadly JD's  . I've eve run a Case RC with a true hand clutch LOL !!
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 6:59am |
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Talk about unhandy, some IH had PTO lever directly behind operator. MACK |
We had a Massey Ferguson 165, I think a 1968. Whatever year it was, it was 1 model year prior to live PTO according to Dad. PTO was a short lever on the left hand side way to the rear. As a young one, you really had to reach for it. I guess not being live, you had to be stopped pretty much to engage it anyway, so not seeing where you were going wasn't much of an issue. Funny by contrast, and all the slamming Deere usually takes, our JD 630 had a foot pedal PTO engagement, actually worked pretty nice for a 1958! 
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Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 6:56am |
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I hope lock down fever hasn't got you two bent out of shape |
Not on this end. Just my thoughts. Seems the sale numbers of 180 gas versus diesel kind of makes my point is all. 
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 9:08pm |
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Talk about unhandy, some IH had PTO lever directly behind operator. MACK
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 8:55pm |
I hope lock down fever hasn't got you two bent out of shape
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 8:32pm |
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 , any idea of when/model of the LAST gas engine was offered?? You might surprise me by your answer . |
Last one available isn’t the same thing as when the popularity of diesel and demise of gas began. No surprise, sorry.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:57pm |
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I was wrong, the hydraulic levers are to the right of the steering wheel on a 560. D19 wins hands down for hydraulic lever placement.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:51pm |
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If I remember right the 560 was at the right and slightly to the rear of the seat while the D19 was just on the left side of the seat. I always liked running my D19 because it was quiet, had a long wheelbase for a gentle ride and it had two way hydraulics vs the old D17. The D19 would walk through mud better than Dad's 190XT even with the narrow 7.50x16 fronts vs the XT with 10.00x16 fronts.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:41pm |
I also ran a 560 IH for a neighbor, but for the life of me, I can't recall the hydraulic lever layout . I DO recall the '19's configuration  .
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:37pm |
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Growing up running the D series I never gave the control positions much thought. Beat the neighbor's 560 to pieces IMO............. Looks like I'll always go to bat for AC!
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:33pm |
I would never say I hated a 180 because of the control layout. Yes a 190 or 200 is better but the 180 is no worse than a 3020, 4020, 656, 1650, M670, 5000 etc. They all have levers in all directions and some in harder to reach spots. In my biased book the 180 wins. 
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:24pm |
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My buddy sold his 180 gas a couple years ago----he despised it---controls were all over and you had to reach for everything on them---nuttin handy bout them. He took the money from the 180 and put it on a 200 ,--- so now he has the 200, a 190 xtd, and a 190 gas. He loves the controls on them.
I always found the 190's a better tractor to drive.
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Your buddy would've completely freaked out running a D-19 , talk about "all- over- the-place" controls
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:19pm |
My buddy sold his 180 gas a couple years ago----he despised it---controls were all over and you had to reach for everything on them---nuttin handy bout them. He took the money from the 180 and put it on a 200 ,--- so now he has the 200, a 190 xtd, and a 190 gas. He loves the controls on them.
I always found the 190's a better tractor to drive.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:04pm |
Thanks Lonn
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 8:41pm |
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I'd guess for the 180 1973 and I'm pretty sure for all Allis Chalmers farm tractors, the 175 in 1976.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm |
, any idea of when/model of the LAST gas engine was offered?? You might surprise me by your answer .
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 11:14am |
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I was just surprised by the 10-1 ratio . Were there any 185 gassers produced ? |
I don't see why that should be surprising. Just look at the history of farm tractors and the time frame you're talking about.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 7:46am |
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A 190xt gas would not use any more gas than a D19 gas. MACK |
I had both at the same time the 190XT burned a whole lot more gas than the 180,of course the 190XT had a whole lot more power.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 9:47pm |
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265 cylinder parts are NLA. Rings are the only thing available.
Rebuilding a 301 gas right now. Reliance and Mahle/Clevite have most the parts Available.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 8:45pm |
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A 190xt gas would not use any more gas than a D19 gas. MACK
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 8:22pm |
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Only an early model "G" Gleaner ever used a G-301 gas engine and a G-265 was never in any Gleaner.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 7:50pm |
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Got a 190 gasser and it sounds just like an ole Gleaner engine ,, works great tho,,
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:41pm |
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180 and 190 were 265 cubic inches. 180 had a smaller carburetor than a 190. 190XT was 301 cubes and had a larger carb than a 190.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:11pm |
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:00pm |
I was just surprised by the 10-1 ratio . Were there any 185 gassers produced ?
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