180 Gasser ??
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Topic: 180 Gasser ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: 180 Gasser ??
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 8:23pm
According to tractor data, there were roughly 10,500 180's made. Only 1,100'ish were gassers, does that make ours a "collectors'" model   ??
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Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 7:28pm
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The neighbors without 3pt is gas, know of a couple others, 1 diesel and 1 gas but both with 3pt. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 7:33pm
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I have two 180 gas tractors...had three, but sold one. I have one with 2800 original hours on it...1969 model... |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 8:41pm
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I have a 180 gas and know of another. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 9:14pm
| The gas 180's usually bring less money than a diesel one. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:25am
| How do the newer larger AC 6 cylinder gas engines run? Do they have any issues? The good 226 4 cylinder engine was the only AC gas I’ve ever operated in the D17 /One-Seventy tractors. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 12:28pm
| 301 gas engine in a 190XT was famous for breaking piston tops off of the skirt. A-C never resolved the problem. I think when you need to overhaul a 265 or 301 gas engine, there are no repair parts (pistons/sleeves) available anymore. They ran like everyone else's big gassers at that time: cold-blooded and use lots of fuel. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 12:32pm
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I often wonder how well these would run with the EFI conversion that Dave Kepner is doing to 3020/4020's. He isn't doing any other makes of tractors that I'm aware of, but that would be a nice upgrade. I'm a diesel guy though lol! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 1:23pm
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Traded for my 180 gas back in the early 1980's have used it for a lot of things over the years,have a loader on it now motor has never been gone into since I have had it still runs very well.For a tractor its size it doesn't use anymore gas than any other gas tractor its size.Had a 190XT gas for awhile now that thing could soak up some gas a whole lot more than my 180 think it had a 301 in it. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 2:25pm
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I thought Allis came out with a stronger piston for those engines. I remember a 190XT in the shop that had a broken piston but I don't remember if we overhauled it completely or just replaced that piston. It's been almost 30 years ago. My Dad's 190XT would always start in the cold Minnesota winters and it always liked gasoline no matter what the job. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:00pm
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I was just surprised by the 10-1 ratio . Were there any 185 gassers produced ?
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:11pm
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 5:41pm
| 180 and 190 were 265 cubic inches. 180 had a smaller carburetor than a 190. 190XT was 301 cubes and had a larger carb than a 190. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 7:50pm
| Got a 190 gasser and it sounds just like an ole Gleaner engine ,, works great tho,, |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 8:22pm
| Only an early model "G" Gleaner ever used a G-301 gas engine and a G-265 was never in any Gleaner. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 8:45pm
| A 190xt gas would not use any more gas than a D19 gas. MACK |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 9:47pm
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265 cylinder parts are NLA. Rings are the only thing available. Rebuilding a 301 gas right now. Reliance and Mahle/Clevite have most the parts Available. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 7:46am
I had both at the same time the 190XT burned a whole lot more gas than the 180,of course the 190XT had a whole lot more power.
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MACK wrote:Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 11:14am
I don't see why that should be surprising. Just look at the history of farm tractors and the time frame you're talking about.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm
 , any idea of when/model of the LAST gas engine was offered?? You might surprise me by your answer . |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 8:41pm
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I'd guess for the 180 1973 and I'm pretty sure for all Allis Chalmers farm tractors, the 175 in 1976. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:04pm
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Thanks Lonn
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Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 5:19pm
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My buddy sold his 180 gas a couple years ago----he despised it---controls were all over and you had to reach for everything on them---nuttin handy bout them. He took the money from the 180 and put it on a 200 ,--- so now he has the 200, a 190 xtd, and a 190 gas. He loves the controls on them. I always found the 190's a better tractor to drive. ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:24pm
Your buddy would've completely freaked out running a D-19
, talk about "all- over- the-place" controls  |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:33pm
I would never say I hated a 180 because of the control layout. Yes a 190 or 200 is better but the 180 is no worse than a 3020, 4020, 656, 1650, M670, 5000 etc. They all have levers in all directions and some in harder to reach spots. In my biased book the 180 wins. 
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:37pm
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Growing up running the D series I never gave the control positions much thought. Beat the neighbor's 560 to pieces IMO............. Looks like I'll always go to bat for AC! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:41pm
I also ran a 560 IH for a neighbor, but for the life of me, I can't recall the hydraulic lever layout  . I DO recall the '19's configuration  .
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:51pm
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If I remember right the 560 was at the right and slightly to the rear of the seat while the D19 was just on the left side of the seat. I always liked running my D19 because it was quiet, had a long wheelbase for a gentle ride and it had two way hydraulics vs the old D17. The D19 would walk through mud better than Dad's 190XT even with the narrow 7.50x16 fronts vs the XT with 10.00x16 fronts. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:57pm
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I was wrong, the hydraulic levers are to the right of the steering wheel on a 560. D19 wins hands down for hydraulic lever placement. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 8:32pm
Last one available isn’t the same thing as when the popularity of diesel and demise of gas began. No surprise, sorry. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 8:55pm
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I hope lock down fever hasn't got you two bent out of shape ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 9:08pm
| Talk about unhandy, some IH had PTO lever directly behind operator. MACK |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 6:56am
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 6:59am
We had a Massey Ferguson 165, I think a 1968. Whatever year it was, it was 1 model year prior to live PTO according to Dad. PTO was a short lever on the left hand side way to the rear. As a young one, you really had to reach for it. I guess not being live, you had to be stopped pretty much to engage it anyway, so not seeing where you were going wasn't much of an issue. Funny by contrast, and all the slamming Deere usually takes, our JD 630 had a foot pedal PTO engagement, actually worked pretty nice for a 1958!
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 4:48pm
,to me, the left-of-seat hydraulic lever set-up was just BASS-AKWARD for a right hand operator  . The throttle, P/D lever and the "natural" reflex to look over the right shoulder(to me anyhow) made for VERY long tillage days  . Seems like there was a hydraulic lever set-up on an off-colored tractor situated on the "hump" between the seat and steering column ?? I've been on Olivers, 30 series Cases, Fergusons, Massey's, I/H's , blue Fords, and sadly JD's  . I've eve run a Case RC with a true hand clutch LOL !! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 4:53pm
Not on mine either
 . thanks for your info Tbone and Happy Easter !! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 4:58pm
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Sadly, the PTO placement on the 190 (hydraulic activation) leaves a little to be desired |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 6:35pm
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190 hydraulic PTO lever could have been a few inches higher but it sure beats the very early 190 manual rod with a knob that sat flat on the floor under the left side of the seat. That was a terrible idea. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 10:53pm
| someone before me added height to the PTO lever on my XT, made it a lot better than the way it was before. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 5:46am
| I have seen a couple that turned the lever around and pointed it forward. Actually worked pretty good. |