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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1613 |
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18x18 should fit two smaller tractors side by side. I think you could even have a mower attached on the 3 point. Yeah go high as could be. If at your mothers place check that you won't accidentally burden her with the taxman. |
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Levibridge95
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: Quakertown Pa Points: 69 |
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Update. Dug my holes today and hit rocks bigger then the hole at 2' below ground level. Btw in my area frost level is about 2' according to my township neighbor. 2 methods I could do here: (1) pour concrete directly on top of the stone and build off that or (2) do the original plan with the laminated 2x6 boards and pour concrete in the hole around it.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21466 |
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hmm, could you drill 2-3 holes in rock, epoxy rebar in and then pour concrete in sonotube ? gee 2' frost line...nice.. up here it's 4' and posthole diggers are 3'4" !!!
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Levibridge95
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: Quakertown Pa Points: 69 |
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steve(ill)
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I would thing the concrete poured on top of the rock with the laminated 2 x 6 in it would be fine.. Do 1 or 2 and test... The rocks can be considered part of the footer.
Your going to nail a base board from post to post at the bottom to screw the tin sideing to.. and a couple horizontals on the posts part way up the wall.. That should lock everything together.... might nail a couple diagonals on the inside at 45 degree angles to stiffen it up until the tin is on the walls... or could also leave the diagonals forever.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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chaskaduo
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Jay you get all the breaks.
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Levibridge95
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DaveKamp
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The greatest advantage of laminating your posts from 2" lumber, is the fact that you will have better CONSISTENCY, and better uninterrupted strength... or in EngineerSpeak: A more consistent dimension, and more predictable section modulus. Why? Let's say you build a building with 14 solid wood post 12ft long... At least ONE of those posts will have a knot in it. Probably more posts, and probably more than one knot... and eventually, as the post driesand ages, it will distort. When you take three planks, and sandwich them together, ALL the planks will have knots, but they're only going through 2" of the full 6" assembly... because it's LAMINATED, right? Now also, because it's been cut thinner, it will be more flexible on it's narrow dimension. When you make your laminated post, you will SEE the check and bow, and SELECT planks that complement eachother to yield a 'more true' post.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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Levibridge95
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: Quakertown Pa Points: 69 |
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I like the idea of doing laminated post but code says it cant be buried in the concrete anymore. Got confirmation on that. Any anchors I could use to still do a laminated beams on top of the concrete?
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21466 |
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German Timber framer up here drilled into rocks(6"), epoxied rebars, short sonotube, filled with concrete, wait a day, drill hole, epoxy into hole to secure saddle with rebar. I'd laminate 3- 2by 6's ...glued( PL Premium) and screwed every foot. Be sure to alternate the boards , grain wise ,though... ()( NOT ((( or ))) , looking from end. If you lasersight the sonotubes, no shims necessary and saddles line up ! Jay
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Levibridge95
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jaybmiller
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OK, here's a sketch. drill 2 holes into rock, epoxy rebar into it 4" minimum,put down sonotube,backfill,pour concrete into tube.if ,IF, you're real good about sonotubes being 'laser level', push saddle into wet concrete,otherwise wait 1 day ,then layout,drill, epoxy saddles in. You can upside down 'L' shape the rebar, should hold better.8" sonotube for more strength,say 2 bags worth of concrete. more is better... Jay
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Tbone95
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Guess this all depends on what exactly is meant by "rock".
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Levibridge95
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Won't be able to use concrete to wood base anchors on laminated beams because I would be 1" thin for a 6x6 and .5" to big for a 4x6. Any ideas.
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9273 |
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Use the 4 by 6 and just use 3 sides. Cut the folded side off. |
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jaybmiller
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Laminate a 5/4 PT 'deck board' with the 3 - 2 by 6. A 'deck board' is true 1" so... 1.5+1.5+1+1.5=5.5" same as 6 by 6 glued and screwed, stronger then solid 6by6. Jay
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Levibridge95
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Ok. Thanks to your advice I got the problem figured out so now I can buy the material and get building soon.
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Stan IL&TN
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My only suggestion is that you can easily build the trusses on the ground by making a template so that each one is exactly the same. I used several sheets of plywood all attached to each other to make a wood base. Build the first truss on top of the base and when I you are happy with the dimensions of the first truss use some scrap pieces of 2x4's and screw them down onto the base so the truss is outlined. This will make sure as you build the next truss that it is exactly the same size and angle as all the rest. This will be important as you get ready to install the face boards.
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Levibridge95
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I ordered trusses from superior trusses in Ephrata pa for $65 a piece. |
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jaybmiller
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Just remember roof trusses are NOT designed to carry weight on the bottom chord !! They're ONLY designed to carry weight on the top chords ( the roof )... Yeah, I can show you why.. a busted truss next door from some 'contractor' who tossed 100s of ##s of 'extra' stuff onto a ceiling supported by the trusses. Jay
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chaskaduo
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Them dang contractors, they know it all don't they.
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jaybmiller
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yeah... HIS diesel 5KW heater for the wife's greenhouse sucked almost 10 Litres of fuel last night ! Somehow THAT is MY fault....sigh.... $14 of diesel.....
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Levibridge95
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: Quakertown Pa Points: 69 |
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I do garage doors and was putting decorative hardware on the front. Because they are purely decorative and not to be used, they're only held in with small screws that will rip out if you pull on them. I told the contractor in plain English "Do not use pull on the handles!! They will rip out." Guess what Mr. Contractor did 10 minutes later? Used the handle to pull down the door. Didnt do Any damage but i gave him an earful.
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Levibridge95
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: Quakertown Pa Points: 69 |
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Got my holes dug and lumber ordered. Had to rent a mt52 and was able to power thru the rocks. Now i just have to wait until I can find time to proceed.
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chaskaduo
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Auger Attachment Bobcat MT52Edited by chaskaduo - 07 Dec 2019 at 2:40pm |
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Levibridge95
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Clay
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Make sure you call 811 Dig Safe, before you dig.
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Levibridge95
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2018 Location: Quakertown Pa Points: 69 |
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Holes are dug but it keeps raining on the days that im available to pour. Planning on building my posts tomorrow on the porch out of the rain. So once i get the concrete done I can move along at a good pace.
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cabinhollow
Orange Level Joined: 24 Mar 2018 Location: SEKY Points: 327 |
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Here a few years ago, the city utility crew were digging a water line up. They were within 100' of a call be for you dig sign. They hit and cut a gas main. These are the guys, that if you called, would be the ones to mark the lines for you. |
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TimNearFortWorth
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Years ago on the dairy back east, decision made to have a pole barn built and dealers were brought in for discussions. Money was tight but dad wanted it big enough plus some extra room. Banker advised they would give X amount (yes, back when bankers really got their nose into your business on everything they were loaning on) and banker wanted it smaller than planned, a "citybot" that was raised in town.
Spring came and we pulled every piece of equipment out of winter storage, haymow, old wooden buildings and lean-to sheds. Getting all equipment lubed up and checked for use, every piece was parked where the new pole barn was planned and a call was made to the "banker" to come on out. He insisted his plan for a smaller building would work until he was reminded that we also planned an extended downside on one side for 50 heifers, and 10,000 bales of hay. Dad said for years after it was put up, "still not big enough, they never are" . . . . .
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