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Originally posted by TimCNY TimCNY wrote:

Not to hijack this thread, but a question I have regarding my WD45 and the PTO - but first, I do use the hand clutch when working the tractor; after spending years (decades lol!) on John Deere 70 and 730 it's a natural thing for me. BUT - my question, is there a reason for an over running clutch on a WD45? What I mean is, when I shut off the PTO and I'm running a bush hog, naturally the blades continue to spin, which of course translates to the implement's PTO shaft continuing to spin, ergo tractor PTO is still turning after disengaging PTO. Is there any harm that can be done to the PTO at that point? My thinking is NO, since it would be disengaged and the only parts still being affected by spin would end at the driven gear in the tractor's PTO gearbox. But, when you've had as many documented TBI's as me, sometimes the simplest, most straightforward trail is the most difficult to follow. That's the best way I can explain it. Sorry.

 I never ran one, always used the had clutch.  It doesn't hurt to have one, in case somebody panics and shoves the foot clutch in, but it won't hurt anything to use it like you do with the hand clutch.
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Not to hijack this thread, but a question I have regarding my WD45 and the PTO - but first, I do use the hand clutch when working the tractor; after spending years (decades lol!) on John Deere 70 and 730 it's a natural thing for me. BUT - my question, is there a reason for an over running clutch on a WD45? What I mean is, when I shut off the PTO and I'm running a bush hog, naturally the blades continue to spin, which of course translates to the implement's PTO shaft continuing to spin, ergo tractor PTO is still turning after disengaging PTO. Is there any harm that can be done to the PTO at that point? My thinking is NO, since it would be disengaged and the only parts still being affected by spin would end at the driven gear in the tractor's PTO gearbox. But, when you've had as many documented TBI's as me, sometimes the simplest, most straightforward trail is the most difficult to follow. That's the best way I can explain it. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Jgranat Jgranat wrote:


Second, hand clutches are a "run what they brung" deal, direction is a detail.  I operate equipment for a living, often changing between several pieces a day and some controls are different, you have to adapt or else you should go flip burgers, not everyone belongs in the seat. 




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What Jgranat said. On both counts. Good decision, Hunt4. Clap

Maybe we should put together a list of the top 10 (or whatever) things we can do to stay safe around these machines......
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Over run clutch that is
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Buying one today!
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Two things, running a bush hog on a tractor without live PTO and no over run coupler is asking for trouble, $50 bucks to save your life is cheap insurance.  You cannot guarantee you can perform after a sudden woodchuck hole crossing, or bees nest upheaval, or whatever you encounter.  If you can predict every situation you will encounter and guarantee the outcome you should buy a lottery ticket, only takes one to win, and one mistake for a serious accident.

Second, hand clutches are a "run what they brung" deal, direction is a detail.  I operate equipment for a living, often changing between several pieces a day and some controls are different, you have to adapt or else you should go flip burgers, not everyone belongs in the seat. 

I own 2 CA's and am looking at a third, the one that brush hogs has an over run on it.
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Think someone should have told Cat they were doing it wrong too and should have followed Deere's design of push to engage?
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Originally posted by ac fleet ac fleet wrote:

The ONLY hand clutches that work are on the John Deere 730 tractors.---On them you PUSH to go NOT pull like ac.---The pull action forces the clutch lever in at a overly fast rate and you end up jumping the front end off the ground! --- There is no way to use the backwards things on the allis tractors. ---One of mine dont even have a handle, someone else got tired of it and locked it engaged, and removed the handle.
IF allis would have made them like Deere, (push to go), they would be fine.


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Ok thanks for letting me know about this
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a CA has a much higher PTO than most utility tractors do so be sure to grease your over runner often as there is more pressure on it than on a tractor like an 8N, I didn't grease my first one enough and it got really sloppy from wear. TJ
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

Ca has the standard 1 3/8 6 spline shaft. If you add an over-running clutch, make sure the PTO shaft of you implement will collapse far enough. Remember you are adding to the length by adding the clutch, and pull type implements are set up to the standard of 14 inches from the end of the tractor shaft, to the center of the drawbar hole.
 If you drive thru a dip, and the implement is facing downhill while the tractor faces up hill, you can break something if the shaft wont collapse far enough.


My King Kutter Hog has a very wide range for the PTO shaft to work in,don't know if they all are like that or not.
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Wow! Awesome information, thanks much!!!
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Ca has the standard 1 3/8 6 spline shaft. If you add an over-running clutch, make sure the PTO shaft of you implement will collapse far enough. Remember you are adding to the length by adding the clutch, and pull type implements are set up to the standard of 14 inches from the end of the tractor shaft, to the center of the drawbar hole.
 If you drive thru a dip, and the implement is facing downhill while the tractor faces up hill, you can break something if the shaft wont collapse far enough.
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Okay I see them now they are just a direct in line mechanical type clutch correct? My next question is what size spline hookup is a model CA pto?
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Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:

Originally posted by Hunt4Allis Hunt4Allis wrote:

Ok thanks guys
Sounds like it will work depending on the operator 😉


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New overrunning clutches on Amazon for < $100. Cheap insurance against wrecking a tractor or worse.
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Originally posted by Hunt4Allis Hunt4Allis wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong here guy's butt with the minimal amount of brush hog work I need to do when I go to stop or make it turn can't I just throttle down to eliminate the inertia in the brush hog blades so it does not push me around?


Most times that might work OK but if you need to stop RIGHT NOW as in a stump in the way or a fence then having an over riding unit on the PTO is just the thing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here guy's butt with the minimal amount of brush hog work I need to do when I go to stop or make it turn can't I just throttle down to eliminate the inertia in the brush hog blades so it does not push me around?
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Originally posted by Hunt4Allis Hunt4Allis wrote:

Ok thanks guys
Sounds like it will work depending on the operator 😉


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Okay we do have a couple small slightly sloping hills here in Northeast Ohio but nothing steep. Is it generally better to mow with this type of brush hog with ACA going downhill or uphill then? I would think it would be better going downhill to keep the front end from lifting up especially if I use it as a trailer type brush hog and do not connect the top link?
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I personally think the tractor is in more danger of rearing up than the implement but I don't typically move fast enough to lose much sleep over it, or even rolling it over on a slope would be far more likely if you were being careless. TJ
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Hey Dick, I always heard around my area to hook up the top link because supposedly if you caught a stump or something else solid that the implement would lever up in the rear and pin you to the steering wheel. I could see it maybe happening with a small 3 point disc more than a mower, but you would probably have to be flying for it to happen. I'm pretty sure the hitch would break or the tractor would stall first but I usually put mine on very loosely since that seed of doubt was planted in the back of my mind. TJ
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Originally posted by Cernunnos Cernunnos wrote:

I just finished a few acres cutting with a 5' tow behind King Kutter in very hilly ground. I mostly use 2nd gear with the throttle about 3/4th open. The vegetation was thick, wet and about 4' tall.  I am totally confident in the CA's ability to finish mow and have never had a problem using the hand clutch and find first gear more than slow enough if the going gets tough.  




Thanks for the optimism oh, it's hard to find sometimes when you ask a question sometimes it seems like everyone wants to give you the negatives instead of possibly letting you know that it's able to do it.
I do notice that you have a wide front end on yours which add some weight and you have weights at the front which mine does not (I do have a wide front end I'm going to put on the front of it and also a front loader so it should be balanced better and not lift the front off the ground
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The only thing I have against brush/bush hogs or any mower behind the tractor is the fact that wherever the tractor tires crush down the weeds, especially milkweed and wild parsnips (or giant hogweed as well), the mower can't cut them and they pop back up. Even subsequent mowing won't do much to cut them once that happens. A sickle bar, or even an offset flail mower generally do better. Any suggestions for remedying that? In the woods and other such areas I can only use my tow behind, obviously, but then again those type weeds aren't generally to be found there.
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I just finished a few acres cutting with a 5' tow behind King Kutter in very hilly ground. I mostly use 2nd gear with the throttle about 3/4th open. The vegetation was thick, wet and about 4' tall.  I am totally confident in the CA's ability to finish mow and have never had a problem using the hand clutch and find first gear more than slow enough if the going gets tough.  


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One thing about not using the third link is you can cut higher from the ground in tall weeds or grass. Then go back and cut lower a week or so later after the taller tops has dried and will grind up easier.
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I run a light duty Howse 5 footer on a C with a work saver 3 point, it carries it fine and is a pretty good match. The tractor will pick it up but it gets light in the front end, the CA with its rear set axle and bigger hydraulics should be just fine even with the hand clutch get an over running coupler it will protect your pto & you. I am in the middle of fixing up an old Woods tow behind 5 footer, but they are a lot more expensive around here than a 3 point unless you find a project like I did. TJ  
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Ok thanks guys
Sounds like it will work depending on the operator 😉
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The ONLY hand clutches that work are on the John Deere 730 tractors.---On them you PUSH to go NOT pull like ac.---The pull action forces the clutch lever in at a overly fast rate and you end up jumping the front end off the ground! --- There is no way to use the backwards things on the allis tractors. ---One of mine dont even have a handle, someone else got tired of it and locked it engaged, and removed the handle.
IF allis would have made them like Deere, (push to go), they would be fine.
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