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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:25am |
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New to the forum and I see this should be in a different topic,will switch to pulling forum. Sorry
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Fullpull
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 7:28am |
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Dr Allis did you have to use a gear reduction starter with the compression ratio being fairly high,where would be a good place to get the right cam ?
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 10:56pm |
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We gotta d17 whit a 301 dsl in it and all we did was use 6080 side frame and use the 175 front end and a case belt drive pump look nice .now we got a d15 fornt on it and made the front pice but still look like a 17 dls if any one want to see pic I can email u some of it .
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 9:34pm |
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Ok, I guess installing bigger valves is not going to work as I had planned.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 8:52pm |
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Bigger valves will mean grinding radius in sleeves for valves to open. Then you will have shrouded valves that won't flow. MACK
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 7:15pm |
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OK,I was thinking of installing bigger valves and oringed copper head gasket. I guess I will have to do some precise measuring.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 7:24am |
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Not exactly. I know I had to use a diesel head gasket (thicker) and we didn't use any new valves or seats, just reground the old to sink them into the head a little more. I do remember removing .200" off the top of the diesel pistons. It might have been .250" but I think it was .200" as I felt the piston tops were getting kind of thin (in the center) after removing material.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 5:50pm |
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Dr Allis do you remember how much gap/space you had from top of cylinder to the head to get the compression you had with your G262 ?
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 9:39am |
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Nah,most pullers can't grasp anything outside the box. I showed up at a "stock" truck pull with a big block Dodge. Those 460 Ford guys about had a cow. Had all the manuals in the back seat to prove this that and the next thing were factory.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 9:20am |
There's something about an Allis doing good in a pull that ticks off the competition. I was accused of having my drawbar too high, my rpms too high, and even told that D17's were not allowed in the club because they were too new. I had to bring actual serial number and production dates from AGCO with a part number on the page to prove them wrong, including the rpm data which I was told that I was only allowed to run at 1650 rpm. It took time to get them to grasp the idea of high idle rpm. My question was why didn't they care what rpm anyone else was running? Luckily I worked at the dealership and had access to everything I needed. BTW, back then I was a meek and mild guy too so it wasn't like I bragged about my tractor or anything. I was just the wrong color among the sea of green and red. There were some good guys too even if they drove a green tractor.
Well I guess that I've taken this thread way off topic now!
Edited by Lonn - 18 Jun 2019 at 9:21am
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:16am |
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I remember doing well too. 1st or 2nd in each class I think. I also remember being protested for having a six cylinder engine. I removed the righthand hood and said to the Official that I only saw 4 spark plugs, how many did he see ???
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 8:06am |
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I think that's the year I went, just as an observer. Yes indoor and the ventilation was less than satisfactory. If I remember right your D17 did well. Probably have you pulling on VHS somewhere.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:36am |
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We went to an indoor event in SE Mn about that many years ago. We went 2 yrs in a row. One yr it was zero or below for temps...……….
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Posted: 18 Jun 2019 at 7:26am |
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Hey Dr Allis, was that you I used to see pulling a gas D17 years ago in Mabel? Been 20-25 years since I've been there.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:33pm |
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Sounds like a nice project,guess I will have to see if I can find some parts. Thanks
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 11:10pm |
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That engine I built ran us for 6 or 7 yrs and then we sold it to someone in Minnesota and as far as I know it is still running in a puller.
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 10:35pm |
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Sounds like peeing in the wind to get "big" power and have it live. Probably be better off putting your efforts elsewhere.
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 10:08pm |
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My cranking compression pressure was 300-320 psi if I remember right.....this was many years ago. Had to use 114 octane racing fuel. I used the thicker diesel head gasket to get the compression down to that figure with a stock gasoline cylinder head.
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 9:22pm |
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No, it was aluminum head on alcohol 50 lbs boost 8-1 comp. To. MACK
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 9:15pm |
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What was the compression on that, was that with stock head ?
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 8:30pm |
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1/2 " stroke would make journals almost too small.
No head gasket problems, they was oringed. MACK
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 8:12pm |
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Did that cause any head gasket problems or would a 1/2 in. stroker crank be more reliable to get the same hp ?
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 7:04pm |
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I built a G-262 for a friend 30 yrs ago. We used D-262 pistons and shaved .200" off the tops to lower the compression a bit. We had the camshaft grind improved and started with a 190XT carb. Pretty sure we were at 100 HP @ 2500 RPM's and would run it 4,000 RPM if the rules allowed it.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 8:55pm |
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Stroke is almost out of the question with out a lot smaller rod. Cam is notched now for rods to clear.
Bore is almost impossible, because you get into head bolts. I bored a block out to a few thousands of head bolts. It held until pump belt rolled over. That is when it took the front of block out. MACK
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 8:28pm |
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What kind of bore and stroke would be needed to get to 100+ hp ?
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 8:12pm |
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D-19 gasoline tractor when tested at Nebraska Test in April of 1962, the maximum PTO HP measured was 72.63 HP. There's really nothing you can do to change that. It was finely tuned as well as the Engineers could tune it. If you swapped out the factory carburetor for the one from an early model "F" Gleaner or late model "C-2", you would gain 10 HP. I imagine a carb from a 190XT gas might be a little bigger yet and I'm sure there are larger carbs than that. Other than raising compression, increasing bore and or stroke and changing camshafts, valve sizes, etc there isn't anything you can really do but install a larger carb and increase RPM's.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 8:08pm |
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Dads D19 dropped a sleeve many years ago. He took it to Reagan Imp in Hummeston Iowa to be repaired. When they got it back together and dynoed it, it was turning out 105 Hp. They turned the pump down to 75 Hp. Dad said "it sure doesn't pull the 5X16 snap coupler plow as well". What ever had been done to it was in the pump and he was using premium #2 diesel.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 6:36pm |
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What would need to be done to a A-C D19/262 engine to get to 100+ hp ?
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 6:11am |
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I'd love to see pics of how they did the steering and does it have POWER steering on the D-17 and still look somewhat OEM. My project this Winter is going to be putting an F-2 four cyl turbo engine in a D-17 and the steering is my biggest problem. Would like to stay NF but may have to go WF with a steering ram on the tie rods like a late 170/175.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 5:34am |
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It can be done. I've seen a 301 in a D17. A friend has a 301 in a WD-45 puller and his Dad just put a 301 in a D19.
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