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Unit3
Orange Level Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5501 |
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LOL I have heard it said the reality bites. Yes it does, but if it wasn't for failure, how would we learn anything? Go for it. Bolt in the 516. Who here has not wished for a BIG engine in their car or truck? Does it have a Hemi, a big block, or 2-4 barrels? Who goes to the drag races to watch the 4 cylinders run, or ask about fuel mileage when they do? And how about Allis Chalmers themselves and the 8095? They too were shopping for more cubic inches/liters.
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Sorry no update guys. Still waiting on adapter plate. Had a set back though. Our 8070 broke the water pump shaft and the fan went into the radiator. So the new radiator i had for this got used in that tractor. So have to have the other recored
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HagerAC
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Location: SE MN Points: 1184 |
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I have an 8070 in our shop right now that did the same thing with the water pump going into the radiator. Hoping tomorrow I will be getting the radiator back with a new core in it. The guy was bringing it over so I could put a new water pump in it. Right before he pulled in our driveway she let go. It literally would have been in our shop a minute later. The nice thing is it's given me an opportunity to address some other issues he's been having with shifting and so on.
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Hey cody, you having him make it a 7 core instead of the factory 6?
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tornado8070
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Recore it with 7 rows. You will thank yourself later
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Got a call from the machine shop, the adapter plate is done! Hoping to go pick it up tomorrow!
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Peterson
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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More pics. Please.
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Peterson
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Unit3
Orange Level Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5501 |
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You know if this works, you are going to get lots of calls to do more of these transplants. Keep us informed. Sure is fun to watch.
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Lol we'll see how this one goes first. I got the flywheel and frame rails at the machine shop now. Im going to use the factory 516 flywheel machined a little bit. Ill show you guys what i did when i get it back. Also i had found a factory tappet cover oil fill for the engine but it would hit the starter. So i did this...
Factory tappet cover with the 426s oil filler attached. Simple and easy. Hoping to have the other parts back by the weekend, but we'll see. |
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coggonobrien
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Location: Eastern Iowa Points: 1806 |
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Remember folks, he has no intention of doing tillage work so don't get super excited about doing it yourself. You get the tractor stuck to the ground hard and running full grunt and things are going to boom.
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Sorry for no update guys, was having troubles with my old machine shop. He pissed up the original 516 flywheel. So now im goin to be using the 426s flywheel with the combines torsional damper disc. The shop that fid the adapter plate will be machining the flywheel now.
Here is the adapter plate, rear seal and starter installed. Starter will be repainted! Lol Ive been doing piddly little stuff waiting for the flywheel. Instead of using the dual small spin on fuel filters, im going to run the 8000 series big filter from the 426. Had to make a bracket so it would fit. Still need to bend up some new fuel lines though. |
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Hey guys, got the flywheel back. Woulda had it done sooner but my original machine shop pissed up the 516s flywheel, so i had the 426s modified to work for the 516 from the shop that made the adapter plate. He did a awesome job!
The mods to the flywheel are, the back side crank pilot had to be cut back .25". The ring gear had to be moved .150" towards the bellhousing, same with the pilot bushing, because the crank standout is .150" less than the 426. Then instead of using a torque limiter, i went with the torque damper from the N7 and had the Powershift hub installed. Then a 1/2" spacer plate under it to bring it more towards the bellhousing/input shaft. More to come later. |
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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She is bolted in!! Now onto welding frame rails and making the rest fit together!
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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cowkicker
Silver Level Access Joined: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Ky Points: 485 |
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Keep the pics coming. I love it. I want one too!!!!!
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ACjack
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Interested in what appears to be the data plate mounted on the block by the starter motor location.
During the time I worked there (70's) that "large" plate was only used on the commercial product engines and not on any interworks "IE" engines produced for other AC plants. The larger plate (length) not only had the engine series, engine catalog number and S/N but, also the catalog numbers of all the option groups ordered at the time of build. If that engine came out of a combine produced during my time at the Harvey plant it would only have the smaller ID plate which was the same height but, only about 3" in length and only gave the engine series, catalog and S/N. Could you post a picture of it?
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Ill get a pic of it tomorrow.
Edited by peterson - 09 Aug 2019 at 9:45pm |
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Yes i was going to use the same torque damper. 516 flywheel needed the ring gear moved, 1/2" spacer plate and the input bushing made too. So pretty much the same amount of work between the two of them. But would have had a much heavier flywheel.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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This is all thats on the engine data plate.
Sorry nothing else to update you on guys. Been making 2nd crop. |
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ACjack
Silver Level Joined: 13 Sep 2014 Location: Peoria, Arizona Points: 274 |
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Thank you for posting the data plate picture. I had no idea that they started to use that style plate on interworks engines. Must be something they started in the 80's.
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Peterson
Orange Level Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Been working on little stuff between making 2nd crop.
Didnt like the goofy righthand side dipstick. Opposite side has two ports for different dipsticks. So i popped one plug out and tried the 426s dipstick, and it fit and worked great! Also started welding up the frame rails. Not done yet. |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Ron(AB)
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Good thing you have that small starter!
The factory starter would of been in the way... |
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AC7060IL
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Peterson, Your project is coming along. I've enjoyed watching. Thanks for sharing. I had to go back to your page one and review your flicker photo album to help me understand your goals. Heres a weblink to those photos.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/100057374@N05/46730539515/in/photostream/
So are you saying that the AC 7040 side panels will encompass all of your new longer engine side frames? Then ultimately, you end up with your own version of AC's 8095 prototype? Edited by AC7060IL - 15 Aug 2019 at 10:43am |
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Peterson
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I havent made any set measurements yet on width but they will need to be 6 inches longer. Width will need to he around 5-6" wider. But yes it will be my version of a 8095 or 7095.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Peterson
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Doing a little trimming of frame rail to fit.
She is slowly coming together. |
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