8050 N7 engine swap
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Topic: 8050 N7 engine swap
Posted By: Peterson
Subject: 8050 N7 engine swap
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 4:10pm
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Ok guys, some of you may have read on my other thread about this 8050 I'm working on putting a 685I in it. Got the tractor in the shop today to start working on it. Will be having a rear engine plate made locally. I've gathered some parts and I think I got most of what I need. Tractor will be getting 6 inches added to the side frames, along with widening the hood out around that 5-6 inches. Will tell for sure when I have the engine sitting in the tractor. Main purpose of this tractor will be running out forage chopper, and really nothing else. Have 3 other 8000s and the 7580 to do tillage work. The 8050 is a powershift tractor also. To remedy some clearance issues, it will be getting 7000 series front sheet metal, but with the 8000 series cab. Dont expect me to post pics everyday though, hopefully it drys out some here and we can get in the fields. But I'll post lots of pics when I do work on it. Thanks guys! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
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Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 4:53pm
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Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 8:23pm
| Interesting project |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 9:37pm
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Is it just me or does it seem odd that AC never tried using the 516 in a tractor. I would love to see it in a 7080, mine. Keep us up to date with pictures. Sure would love to see her run. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 7:35am
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Betting drive train doesn’t make it 3 years. Even just on a chopper. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 7:40am
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So I guess all these 8.3 Cummins swapped 8000s are just sitting in a scrap yard someplace then. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 10:33am
| I say go for it, the best teacher is experience whether it be success or failure. Just think about what our elders thought when pulling tractors hit 200 or 500 hp they said you cant do that to a tractor, now we have field tractors over 500 hp. I know they are designed for that but we had to learn somehow. |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 10:39am
| I think it'll live. I'd say the clutch/torque converter/flex plate or whatever AC calls it will be the weak link. Clutch pack materials,temperature and pressure level monitors and fluid quality go a long way towards any PS life. I think I'd install trans temp and pressure gauges. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 11:05am
No but I know of two that had drivetrain issues. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
peterson wrote:Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 11:13am
What I have read, was told, that the 516 was expensive to manufacture, thereby making it to expensive to put in a tractor.
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 12:09pm
I’d agree with that AND add that OPERATOR is everything when it comes to sensibility with new levels of power. To that end, Peterson being the mechanic, should have a uniquely better understanding. Go Peterson! I’m looking forward to seeing you get it done. Thanks for sharing. I’ve seen many stock tractors wrecked by someone who turned up its fuel, weighted it to max, & pulled a size bigger disk/FC or whatever, and bumped it up another gear higher. Point is - just because it’s got more horses, doesn’t mean you got to use them all, all the time. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 2:59pm
Exactly! I'm not going to be using anything more than what we have already for our other tractors. This thing will be pretty lightly weighted. A inside wheel weight on the back with a small weight bracket on the front. NO FLUID at all. Yes a 685I has 270 flywheel HP, my guess is prolly 250-260 to the PTO. If it's more than that, I'll turn it down. Probably start tearing it apart next week. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 5:41pm
| 7080 was rated at 210-212 HP at the flywheel and 180 HP at the PTO, so looks like close to 30 HP loss. |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 6:28pm
| Just curious, what brand/model of chopper, and size of the head. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 6:31pm
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So should be around the 240-250 hp. Should have a little more grunt than the 426. So possibly not loose as much through the PTO. Chopper is a New Holland Fp230 with the 29p hay head and just a 824 2 row corn. But we don't do much corn. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 7:16pm
| It won't even puff with a two row head. |
Posted By: Oldred
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 9:13am
| You might have to upgrade to a FP240 chopper. Lol |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 9:39am
| Just an observation. My Dad (many years ago) had a 185 with 540 single speed PTO. He also had a 200 with 540/1000 dual speed PTO. He always claimed the 185 would grind a batch of feed faster than the 200. It certainly wasn't the HP that made the difference, because the 185 was 74 HP and the 200 was adjusted up to 110 HP. The difference was the 185 PTO ran an actual 680 RPM while the 200 only ran 610 RPM. I would assume to a degree, a forage chopper could react in a similar way to PTO speeds ?? |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 10:49am
| I think the efficacy of the pto drive has something to do with it. Some tractors are just better than others. 5xxx series Deere's for one. Say what you want but everyone I've been around punches way above their weight on pto equipment. My 560D Farmall ran the Ag bagger without even breathing hard. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 9:36am
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Ok guys got the fan hub adapter made. Now to drill holes and bolt it up. http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 9:39am
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I'll be starting to tear the 8050 apart today. I'll take a few pics of the tear down. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 10:23am
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I LOVE it! ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 3:10pm
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I want to see how and what is going to hold up the front end of the "BIG 516". ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 8:37pm
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She has no legs! Hopefully get the engine out tomorrow. http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: rieg
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 9:20pm
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I thought I was the only one that keeps a stump in my shop to hold up the back half of an 8000 series for when they need split. I have used that same stump on three different tractors one twice. Crazy farmers!!! ------------- rieg |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 10:05pm
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What are your thoughts on wedging one in a 7580? Looks like a fun project! ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 6:35am
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Could be done pretty easy I would think. I'm going to get a price soon on making the rear engine plates. Depending on price, I may get a couple made. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 9:13am
| Rieg I've got a few of those stumps! One for a 180 a 190 and a 21 ! |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 2:20pm
You ought to.measure them so the rest of us don't have to guess!😎 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2019 at 8:39pm
http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow"> She is out. Got adapter plates off both engines. Hopefully bring them to machine shop Wednesday. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 4:04pm
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Plates are at machine shop.he said max of 6 weeks, but more than likely it will be sooner. Should be 400 bucks or less for the plate too. I'll keep y'all updated. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:56pm
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I thought the rear plates had the same bolt pattern. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:59pm
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Crank flange, yes. Rear engine bolt pattern, no. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: GregStremel
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 10:16pm
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Your project is intriguing. I understand that you have an N7 engine ready to install. We have an an N7 that we would like to overhaul. It runs strong but uses some oil. We have not found a rebuild kit. We could not get a new water pump last summer, we had to put a salvage unit in. Have you found a source for parts to rebuild that engine? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 6:40am
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 6:48am
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:45pm
Drivetrain will not last three years if he racks any hours up. But hey he knows all. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 6:39am
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Are you two snitty at each other? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 6:51am
I asked my local dealer about parts availability. He said mostly everything was no problem to get. That was one thing I wanted to know before I bought the engine.
------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 6:52am
Havent got a clue who he is. Some people dont like it when someone tries something new or different from the norm.
------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 7:24am
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I know of 2 8070's with C series Cummins swaps, and they both have had geartrain failure. Randy on here is one. I think his took a tooth off a range gear? My buddy the Agco parts dealer/repair shop is working on one now, again, this time has a need for a trans main shaft, and also has gear teeth issues. While great drivetrains, adding that much torque to them after all these years of who knows what kind of life, there's bound to be trouble. Tyler only plans to use on pto chopper, so he may be fine. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 7:38am
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I still say Allis should have done this from the beginning........ with the needed improvements to the drive train. I think the 516 was a great engine. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 8:20am
| Probably my engine choice ( no $$$ limit) would be a 6.7 Cummins or even an older 5.9 Cummins, both set at 220 to 240 HP flywheel @ 2550 RPM's. Both are capable of 2700 RPM's all day long and the torque would be better than a 426 but not killer torque as the extra RPM's would increase the transmissions ability to live. If you read the design/development paper on the 7080 tractor, that was one of their arguments for increasing the rated RPM's to 2550 instead of 2300, was to help keep the transmission together. That's also why the 8550/4W305 had a much bigger transmission, the other tranny was maxxed out. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 8:27am
Would love to use a common rail 6.7 set at said power. Awesome startability and awesome fuel economy! With the right tune, be pretty cool!
------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Chad (MN)
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 12:37pm
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Not sure if the old posts still exist but I believe Mark (427435) shared that the Harvey plant 'charged' the tractor division by the cubic inch. Therefore, in order to save cost, the sales department seemed to demand smaller cubed engines to be turned up in order to meet the price point. Long story short, the 516 was too expensive and outdated for the tractor division to use so they were looking to suppliers like Cummins, Perkins, Komatsu (8095)for other options. ------------- 220 3-190XT 2-D19d D19g 5-D17 UC 3-WC 2-WD 3-WD45 CA C H3 7-AllCrops 14-plows 3-Gleaners Lawnmowers SC-equipment |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 1:04pm
| I have a very nice rotary pump 12valve Cummins sitting here. Just waiting for the right recip. An 8010/30 with fwd and powershift would work nicely. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 2:50pm
| Industrial Cummins ??... so, the governor would be the right type?? What year do you think it is and what was the rated HP @ what RPM's ?? |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 3:20pm
1989 Dodge D350. Non intercooled ,160hp. One owner who knew how to care for it. I understand there is some governor work required but nothing drastic. Also the rotary pump is desired for simplicity if nothing else. The Oliver boys do it a lot. |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 5:54pm
The 426 barely holds together at 210Hp. The 516 in the N7 is 270Hp, probably their only choice, if they wanted to stay in house.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 9:02pm
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Your right Ed, my 8070 spun off 1 tooth off one gear and 3 teeth off 1 gear after about 50 hours with the 8.3 in it. When i got the tractor several years ago i changed all the oil in the rear end and transmisson and took out the screen in the bottom and all screen and oil looked good. 2 years ago i put in the cummins in and then had transmission problems. But we only found 3 teeth. oil was clean and no silver stuff in the tranny housing. Not sure where the other tooth was or how long is was missing. When i got parts from North Side salvage they had seen the same thing a few times with a 426 engine. Who knows how long it was missing 1 tooth. Dr Allis recomended that i use 5 low range for tillage, straight through the tranny, less stress on the tranny. ------------- CA WD WD45 D17 D17 Diesel 7060 8050 8070 |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 12:24am
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Were the teeth knocked off the input gears in the front of the transmission? If so, I was told that was from shifting the PD at a real low rpm and under a load, at low rpm the PD doesn't modulate well and you end up with harsh shift.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 4:18am
What I don't understand is how a company can be so disjointed that the engine plant works against using its own engines by treating the West Allis plant like an outside customer. It's all the same company! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 6:11am
| Caterpillar would have been using an engine of 630 cubes or more in their dozer of that HD11 size, also rated at what seems to be very low HP. That's the way construction equipment is/was. Farm equipment doesn't shoot for 20,000+ hrs of engine life like construction equipment does and seems like 10K life is even high for hrs. At the time the 8000 series was being built, Deere had already been at the 466 platform size and IH was too, and Ford/NH was at 474. The 426 was the same physical size as that, but AC refused to make needed design changes to increase bore or stroke to gain 40 cubes. ( For the record, I know that an IH DT-466 crankshaft can be installed in a 426 with enough machine work, but the point is the engines were identical in physical size).The 516 was too heavy and cost too much and was NOT as fuel efficient and could not run in the RPM range that was needed for the driveline. As far as the claim Harvey charged the Ag Division by the cubic inch, that would be incorrect I believe. I can assure you that a non-turbo 301 (84 flywheel HP) cost less that a 4 cyl 200/433-T-I (95 flywheel HP) and probably cost less than a 200/433-T (85 flywheel HP). |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 7:13am
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If i remember right, the bottom shaft gear in the front of the tranny was the one that lost the teeth and the top shaft gears teeth were damaged, both were replaced. It is an early 8070 with the bigger final drives and 2 wheel drive. ------------- CA WD WD45 D17 D17 Diesel 7060 8050 8070 |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 8:03am
The other repowered one I referred to is the one you went and looked at south of Walnut. Rob has it all torn down now. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 8:06am
Honestly, the VE governor used on the Dodge pickup engines was a variable speed unit, and would be just fine for a tractor. The inline P7100 from 94-98 would have the RQV-K governor which is more of a truck governor, (something using a gas pedal basically) but it would still work ok in a tractor, since the "V" in RQV means variable speed. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 9:14am
From my 12 years at the Harvey Engine plant I always felt just the opposite; that West Allis treated the Harvey plant as the red headed step child.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 7:28am
I'll bet that's exactly right....2 way street. We have a sister plant 1/2 mile away, with the same Plant manager, and all the fingers are always pointing the other direction. People just love to horde up....it's natural!
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Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 9:39am
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Not to hijack the thread, but its been my experience that people are really quick and comfortable to point out what someone else is doing to them, but pretty slow to look in their own back yard at what difficulties their own decisions have created. Worse yet, I seem to be most logical about 3 years after I made a bad decision. Emotion can carry you along for awhile, but eventually reality sinks in. ------------- |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 14 May 2019 at 10:46pm
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Hey guys no update yet on adapter plate. Hopefully soon. I got the fan adapter drilled and on. I also made a new adjusting rod, old one was kinda rusty. http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 15 May 2019 at 12:17am
LOL I have heard it said the reality bites. Yes it does, but if it wasn't for failure, how would we learn anything? Go for it. Bolt in the 516. Who here has not wished for a BIG engine in their car or truck? Does it have a Hemi, a big block, or 2-4 barrels? Who goes to the drag races to watch the 4 cylinders run, or ask about fuel mileage when they do? And how about Allis Chalmers themselves and the 8095? They too were shopping for more cubic inches/liters. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 May 2019 at 6:15am
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Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 9:57am
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Sorry no update guys. Still waiting on adapter plate. Had a set back though. Our 8070 broke the water pump shaft and the fan went into the radiator. So the new radiator i had for this got used in that tractor. So have to have the other recored ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2019 at 5:20pm
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I have an 8070 in our shop right now that did the same thing with the water pump going into the radiator. Hoping tomorrow I will be getting the radiator back with a new core in it. The guy was bringing it over so I could put a new water pump in it. Right before he pulled in our driveway she let go. It literally would have been in our shop a minute later. The nice thing is it's given me an opportunity to address some other issues he's been having with shifting and so on. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 4:54am
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Hey cody, you having him make it a 7 core instead of the factory 6? ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: tornado8070
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 3:31pm
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Recore it with 7 rows. You will thank yourself later ------------- 09’ DT205B, 08’ DT220A, 83' 8070 MFWD, 83’ 8070 85’ 8050 MFWD, 83' 8030, 82' 8010, 85’ 6080 MFWD, 84’ 6080, 79' 7020, 85' M3 RWD, 85' 920 diesel,AC C-50 forklift. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 4:28pm
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Got a call from the machine shop, the adapter plate is done! Hoping to go pick it up tomorrow! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 12:38pm
http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow"> Got the adapter plate today! Looks awesome and fits both engine and trans great! Now to bolt it up. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:08pm
http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow"> Got the block and starter shaved down enough so they fit. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:13pm
| Cool |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 8:31am
| More pics. Please. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 8:37am
Nothing much for new pics yet. I got the right length belts finally. This way the fan is the same height as the 426s. Then you can also see the new alternator and alternator pulley. Still need to get a belt for that. http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow"> ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 6:10pm
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You know if this works, you are going to get lots of calls to do more of these transplants. Keep us informed. Sure is fun to watch. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 10:41pm
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Lol we'll see how this one goes first. I got the flywheel and frame rails at the machine shop now. Im going to use the factory 516 flywheel machined a little bit. Ill show you guys what i did when i get it back. Also i had found a factory tappet cover oil fill for the engine but it would hit the starter. So i did this... Factory tappet cover with the 426s oil filler attached. Simple and easy. http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  Hoping to have the other parts back by the weekend, but we'll see. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: coggonobrien
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:19am
| Remember folks, he has no intention of doing tillage work so don't get super excited about doing it yourself. You get the tractor stuck to the ground hard and running full grunt and things are going to boom. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2019 at 8:42am
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Sorry for no update guys, was having troubles with my old machine shop. He pissed up the original 516 flywheel. So now im goin to be using the 426s flywheel with the combines torsional damper disc. The shop that fid the adapter plate will be machining the flywheel now. Here is the adapter plate, rear seal and starter installed. Starter will be repainted! Lol http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  Ive been doing piddly little stuff waiting for the flywheel. Instead of using the dual small spin on fuel filters, im going to run the 8000 series big filter from the 426. Had to make a bracket so it would fit. Still need to bend up some new fuel lines though. http://www.directupload.net" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 7:49am
Hey guys, got the flywheel back. Woulda had it done sooner but my original machine shop pissed up the 516s flywheel, so i had the 426s modified to work for the 516 from the shop that made the adapter plate. He did a awesome job!     The mods to the flywheel are, the back side crank pilot had to be cut back .25". The ring gear had to be moved .150" towards the bellhousing, same with the pilot bushing, because the crank standout is .150" less than the 426. Then instead of using a torque limiter, i went with the torque damper from the N7 and had the Powershift hub installed. Then a 1/2" spacer plate under it to bring it more towards the bellhousing/input shaft. More to come later. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 3:34pm
She is bolted in!! Now onto welding frame rails and making the rest fit together!  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 7:17pm
| Keep the pics coming. I love it. I want one too!!!!! |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 7:48pm
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Interested in what appears to be the data plate mounted on the block by the starter motor location. During the time I worked there (70's) that "large" plate was only used on the commercial product engines and not on any interworks "IE" engines produced for other AC plants. The larger plate (length) not only had the engine series, engine catalog number and S/N but, also the catalog numbers of all the option groups ordered at the time of build. If that engine came out of a combine produced during my time at the Harvey plant it would only have the smaller ID plate which was the same height but, only about 3" in length and only gave the engine series, catalog and S/N. Could you post a picture of it?
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Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 9:44pm
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Ill get a pic of it tomorrow. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 12:12pm
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Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 12:35pm
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Yes i was going to use the same torque damper. 516 flywheel needed the ring gear moved, 1/2" spacer plate and the input bushing made too. So pretty much the same amount of work between the two of them. But would have had a much heavier flywheel. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 10:35pm
This is all thats on the engine data plate. Sorry nothing else to update you on guys. Been making 2nd crop. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 10:00am
| Thank you for posting the data plate picture. I had no idea that they started to use that style plate on interworks engines. Must be something they started in the 80's. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 9:33pm
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Been working on little stuff between making 2nd crop. Didnt like the goofy righthand side dipstick.  Opposite side has two ports for different dipsticks. So i popped one plug out and tried the 426s dipstick, and it fit and worked great!  Also started welding up the frame rails. Not done yet.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 9:41pm
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Good thing you have that small starter! The factory starter would of been in the way... |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2019 at 10:31am
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Peterson, Your project is coming along. I've enjoyed watching. Thanks for sharing. I had to go back to your page one and review your flicker photo album to help me understand your goals. Heres a weblink to those photos. http://www.flickr.com/photos/100057374@N05/46730539515/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow - http://www.flickr.com/photos/100057374@N05/46730539515/in/photostream/
So are you saying that the AC 7040 side panels will encompass all of your new longer engine side frames? Then ultimately, you end up with your own version of AC's 8095 prototype? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2019 at 10:58pm
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I havent made any set measurements yet on width but they will need to be 6 inches longer. Width will need to he around 5-6" wider. But yes it will be my version of a 8095 or 7095. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2019 at 9:38pm
Doing a little trimming of frame rail to fit.  She is slowly coming together. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2019 at 10:40am
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Peterson, Hope it runs and works for a long time. That is a lot of work to custom fit a big engine into that tractor. Looking forward to your progress too. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2019 at 3:31pm
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Oofda!! Love it! ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 6:59pm
Wanted to show you guys KINDA what its going to look like. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: MattLF9
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 8:43pm
You probably didn't have the brake pressure at 1800 psi either? 1800 psi can bring a JD 7810 to its knees. ------------- A little CQB never hurt anybody. |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 10:09pm
| "Can I borrow a tractor?" "Sure,take that one." Was the extent of my involvement in the operation. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 5:23pm
Drilling axle mount holes, had to throw the side panel on again and get a picture! Lol ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 8:32pm
| Is the intercooler going to fit inside the hood? or are you going to put on an HD11 intake manifold? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 8:34pm
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Hood will be widened out. Haven't decided how yet. But engine will be pretty much the same as a N7 combine engine. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 11:36pm
| Peterson, That looks like factory. Awesome job! Will it have a 7080 exhaust muffler sticking up out of the hood, along with a front vertical intake too? Or will you do a clean hood view, plumbing the exhaust over & up the right front corner of it's cab? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2019 at 12:55am
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Thanks! It will either have a single 4 or 5 inch exhaust pipe. Everything will be packed under the hood for sure. 7080 air filter so no pre cleaner. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |