190XT narrow front

I know this is a long shot but does anyone have a narrow front end for sale for a 190XT? I would like to convert mine to a narrow front. Are there any other series that used the same front end that may also work?

180-190-190XT. Lines will differ on 180.

The whole cast iron front support under the radiator gets swapped when going to a NF.

Yes they will, 180,190 all the same size, four bolts hold it to the frame and other stuff has to be taken off but it's all the same

If I may, and I am sure I will be blasted for offering a different opinion.

 First wondering is, Is it possible to "barrow" a narrow front for a 190 and use it to make some green castings and then get them machined out for those that want the front support...

 Which leads to the second wonder somebody asked awhile ago,.. would it be possible to make an adapter that would accept the  JD rollomatic off of a JD 4010 or 4020... or 730... might be easier on the front support.

The "inter-changeable" front support was an OPTION and cost more $$$$$$$$. Allis-Chalmers probably sold more tractors with wide fronts than anyone, and partly because of lower cost. Broken wide front axle frames at the left rear corner could have been eliminated with 5 lbs of extra steel bracing and interestingly only about 50% ever break. Makes me think those that were broken were somehow used more stressfully than others ?? I'll take the external cylinder any day over the internal design for simplicity and ease of repairs when needed.

Orange Blood wrote: If I may, and I am sure I will be blasted for offering a different opinion. There was only one front housings for the 190/190xt tractor.  That being said, the tractor could be ordered with the front support "loaded" with the power steering ram inside, misc. lines a steering spindle etc. this version of the front housing was called an "Interchangeable front axle".  The other option was the same front housing, missing the internal parts, replaced with an external mounted steering cylinder, and a steering arm pivot mounted on the front end assembly itself under the oil pan.  The latter is what you find on most tractors, likely because it was cheaper, and by that time most all row crop tractors were running wide fronts, with few narrows left in the world, so what was the point, likely a question asked by many a farmer ordering the tractors new. The front end housing with the internal steering 1. was a better design in that it kept forces off the front end which IMO added to breaking so many front ends, or could be the sole reason.  2. allowed the use of the narrow front wheel assembly. We have an interchangeable front 190xt, been a family tractor since new, have the receipts from the family dealership, and know it's history.  Yes we have the narrow front to got with it, and no it's not for sale!   If we could find a real single front, that would be awesome, but never going to happen.

I had a customer who used one out of an oliver in a 190.

There are 2 different types of front bolsters for 190s. The solid one, or the interchangeable one.

The 3020-4020 steering measures in at 18 7/8 so it would fit inside the frame rails. I really think this is a doable project. If I can find a cheap 190 latter this summer I might just give it a try. Tom

Tom if you find that the Deere setup would work I would be interested in your offer. Where are you located?

I have a 1965 190 with a interchangeable frontend.Has widefront wouldn't mine having a narrow front myself'

My one XT has the interchangeable bolster but I too need the pedestal narrow front. 
 Last year I had a chance to buy some rollamatic narrow fronts and they went for cheap... and I didn't think about retrofitting them to my XT.    Now I need to keep my eyes open the next time I see one for sale...
 
 Got a sad story, about 1993 I was in a fellows private junkyard and he had a couple old WC tractors taken apart, one with a scintella base mag mount, and another was a 36 model. he also had several narrow front pedestals for D15 / D17 and one solid curved orange hunk... and I was on my way out when I spotted it. Thought I would ask about it and the WC tractors the next time I was in the yard...  Yea, went back in awhile later and he had loaded it up and hauled it to the big scrap yards.  ARRGH and so were the WC's.  I asked why did you haul them pieces away? "oh. they were in my way". DOUBLE AARGH!!!   And now I don't remember what we had gone there to get the first time.

Any info or pics of how the Oliver narrow front was made to fit....I have three 190xts here now and two Ollie front pedistols from 1850s sitting in the shed.   Might be a fun project.